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Procrastinator
200+ WHP?
What exactly does it take to get at least 200bhp to the wheels with a '00 3400 and an auto tranny?
I find all these threads with wild builds which are all very nice, but just want a reliable 200 - 225bhp. Will it require heads and a cam? Or just ported intakes with headers... I have a 3400 sitting on my garage floor collecting dust and I want to use it but I want more than the stock 185bhp that it churns out.
Also what do I do with the AIR ports in the exhast side of the heads? I am obviously not going to use them.
So I guess my question is what are the realistic gains with the ported intakes and/or would just finding some 3500 heads and intakes be more worthwhile? I don't really have 800 bucks to carve out the 3400 heads...
Thanks for any input
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02-10-2009 12:15 AM
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Ported heads and a tune, as well as a K&n and 2.5" exhaust are all the mods I have. I've been trying to get it to the dyno for a shit and a giggle, but turning a 9.72 in the 1/8 mile with a 3500 lb car probably puts me near 200 whp
Case in point: A stock Series II 3.8 SC usually dyno's 200-240 at the wheels and I can walk them lightly from a roll. From a dig my 3600 stall converter doesn't give them any hope. A GTP is comparable in weight to my Lumina.
Last edited by Monzsta; 02-10-2009 at 05:14 AM.
'97 Chevy Lumina, '99 LA1, ported heads, manifolds, 2 1/2" exhaust, k&n filter, 180* stat, A/C delete, Ram air, 3600 FAFB converter, 4T60E shift kit, DHP Power Tuner, AEM UEGO, MegaSquirt II/Extra
1/8 mile 9.72@75 mph, 2.0 60 foot

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For the K&N only use a drop in filter. These engines do NOT like cones, and tend to lose torque by using a cone filter. The stock airbox (at least in the w-body) is really well designed, and is not as restrictive and most people think.
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"redbird"s 3400 is a stock 90K bottom end, 1617 grind cam from the WOT-Tech store, some ported heads from me and some tuning is 224 WHP although it's a 5 speed. He's had a few problems recently but he drives the crap out of it.
to get 200 WHP you need to shoot for about 260 crank HP. A 3500 top end, good cam and 3500 exhaust manifolds with a good tune will do that easy.
1989 Camaro RS; Cammed 3500 swap, 45mm ITB's, Street/Strip Kitted 700R4, 3500 stall, Megashifter, 3.73 posi, EQ- LT headers, 3" Hooker Supercomp exhaust, etc...
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Procrastinator
I need to save up some money... how long can an engine sit on a garage floor?
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I fired up a 2.8L and it ran great after sitting in my parents barn for 2.5 years before I installed it in a friend's truck.
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Originally Posted by
3100 MPFI
For the K&N only use a drop in filter. These engines do NOT like cones, and tend to lose torque by using a cone filter. The stock airbox (at least in the w-body) is really well designed, and is not as restrictive and most people think.
Totally agree... I thought I would be outflowing my air box because the opening is only in the very front of it and it's just a little slot, but I drilled holes in my airbox to test and my MAF showed that I was drawing in no extra air, just warmer air. I need a new air box bottom
I use a K&N dropin however.
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Mr. Orange.
The snorkel on my stock box was about 1.5" opening, way less than the stock TB.. hahah. I opened up some parts on it, but it draws from fender air too so not really hot air there.

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Originally Posted by
Superdave
"redbird"s 3400 is a stock 90K bottom end, 1617 grind cam from the WOT-Tech store, some ported heads from me and some tuning is 224 WHP although it's a 5 speed. He's had a few problems recently but he drives the crap out of it.
to get 200 WHP you need to shoot for about 260 crank HP. A 3500 top end, good cam and 3500 exhaust manifolds with a good tune will do that easy.
so basically a cam and a tune will get 260 BHP in a 3500!? seems a bit optimistic
Last edited by ZeeTwentyFour; 02-19-2009 at 02:17 PM.
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You will not get 260 WHP that way. Need to at least add headers/full open exhaust to that list.
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1996 3500GP Coupe, "Bright White".
3500 swap, 60degreeV6 1393 Cam, Ported Intakes, Comp Cams Valve Springs, 65mm TB, Custom Pushrods, S&S Headers, 97 PCM with DHP Powrtuner, 2.5" back to dual Hooker Aerochambers, SS Brake Lines, Addco swaybar, KYB's, Intrax Springs, STB's, etc!