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  • #16
    Very true, Ben's cams seem to have a better idle quality than the one I designed. Mine sounded better though. :P
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    1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
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    • #17
      I wasn't talking about our shelf cams
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      • #18
        Originally posted by ForcedFirebird View Post
        I wasn't talking about our shelf cams
        Ben doesn't sell shelf cams. (kidding)
        Past Builds;
        1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
        1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
        Current Project;
        1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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        • #19
          Shelf cams?! Im gonna hop in my pregen and drive down to Florida to have a talk with John:P

          I guess there is the "smooth idle" that this guy probably wanted to know, and then there is the "not gonna idle below 1200 RPM no matter what" that I was thinking of as being too far. Lot of cam between those 2 points. I don't know think anyone with a hydraulic roller cam has gone too big for the engine to not idle at 1000 or less.
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          • #20
            Yeah that cam I bought from Mars is probably as big as anyone would go without ported heads but it still idles at 900ish with a nice lope.
            '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
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            • #21
              Originally posted by caffeine View Post
              Yeah that cam I bought from Mars is probably as big as anyone would go without ported heads but it still idles at 900ish with a nice lope.
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              • #22
                Oh shoot. I though I had a decent cam lol


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                • #23
                  I had to cut my pistons to clear the exhaust valves with my cam so that's probably farther than the inquirer wants to go based on the fact he refuses to upgrade the converter.
                  '89 Firebird, 3500 Turbo, T56, 9-bolt/4.11
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                  • #24
                    Looks like I dropped in too late, but...

                    Originally posted by Superdave View Post
                    Wow, you guys are auto Noobs.. lol

                    Converter stall speed needs to match the peak torque of the engine, with a stock converter probably being 1800-2000 then not much cam.

                    With a cam that's large enough that it needs to idle higher, you also need to run a higher stall so the car doesn't constantly try to lurch at stoplights. The emailer is correct, it's a bitch to have a lopey cam and a low stall converter.
                    ^ THIS

                    I'm guessing the stall speed on the stock torque converter (for what car? what engine?) is probably not going to be above 2500 RPM. So a mild performance camshaft (i.e. for midrange torque) should work well with it.

                    Anyway, I guess it's too late now.

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                    • #25
                      Life sure looks complicated with an automatic, seems best to just run a stick and have the stall speed any thing you want it to be. Never could understand a performance car with an automatic. Gues it is good for the Wife or your Mother to drive. Larry

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                      • #26
                        more consistent times at the drag strip is usually why, other tracks like road course are more suited to manual though.
                        Past Builds;
                        1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                        1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                        Current Project;
                        1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by trotterlg View Post
                          Life sure looks complicated with an automatic, seems best to just run a stick and have the stall speed any thing you want it to be. Never could understand a performance car with an automatic. Gues it is good for the Wife or your Mother to drive. Larry
                          It's funny you say that because you can't get a Porsche Turbo S with a "stick" Only an automatic with a torque converter Yes it has manual mode but it doesn't have a clutch pedal.

                          I use this car as an example because I know someone who just purchased one and he wanted a true manual but when he tried driving one of the autos in manual mode he couldn't even react quick enough due to the power, so never mind having a clutch and shifter to operate.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 3400-95-Modified View Post
                            It's funny you say that because you can't get a Porsche Turbo S with a "stick" Only an automatic with a torque converter Yes it has manual mode but it doesn't have a clutch pedal.

                            I use this car as an example because I know someone who just purchased one and he wanted a true manual but when he tried driving one of the autos in manual mode he couldn't even react quick enough due to the power, so never mind having a clutch and shifter to operate.
                            I don't know why it was, but my first 4T45E tranny really banged the shifts in here, I have a switch to force full line pressure. Then the next two I got did not nearly do as well in that area. But then again, that first one leaked a little tranny oil every time I used the switch, and needed more brake pressure to hold it at a stop.
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