1/4 mile times ??????? 3.1

[85_305]

oh you have a 5 spd.
my friends is an auto.
he tried to race me and lost lol!

his 3.1 has about 215k miles on it and it runs good.
to be honest your gonna laugh...the grand am gt is basically the fastest car i've ever owned.

i thought my xr-7 was quick! heh the ga proved that wrong

Yep had a 5spd SE, and now an auto SE. 1991. I like the 1990 better though. It had the 13 way adjustable seats

But your GA is quicker than an XR7???

[pontiac3100]

you know i'm talking about the cougar xr-7 auto.
yea that car was crappy as hell.
my friends accord ex was able to beat me.

and my legend beat my friends accord.
and the grand am beat my legend.

and i did'nt drive the cougar like i drive my grand am.
i babied her.
and that car was the reason why i went to imports

[85_305]

Hmm.. that couger must not have been taken care of. My buddies XR7 (supercharged) would ROAST the tires even in second gear. You must have gotten a hunk. I have owned 11 cars, all American. Loved them all.

But on the topic of accrod ex's.. from a stop, the accord ex took me (granted, he has 10 or 20hp more plus 800lbs less.. plus i had a buddy with me) but from a roll I SLAUGHTERED him. From a stop he took me, then I played catchup. But from a roll it was no contest. And this was a '99-ish ex w/ the vtec 1.8

[pontiac3100]

oh dude if this was with the 5 spd you should've been able to kill him...here's why:

i went up against my friends 99 ex v6.
he hung with me in 1st and a lil bit of second but left his ass.

the reason i said you should've taken that 150hp/152tq from a stop
as i've been told horsepower sells torque wins races

the cougar i had was a v8
ran a 1/4 16 seconds.

your talking about the 89/90 3.8 supercharged.

that damn cougar was the reason i went to imports.

[85_305]

oh dude if this was with the 5 spd you should've been able to kill him...here's why:

i went up against my friends 99 ex v6.
he hung with me in 1st and a lil bit of second but left his ass.

the reason i said you should've taken that 150hp/152tq from a stop
as i've been told horsepower sells torque wins races

the cougar i had was a v8
ran a 1/4 16 seconds.

your talking about the 89/90 3.8 supercharged.

that damn cougar was the reason i went to imports.

Oh no no I KNOW my 5spd would have laid him out.. but I was in my auto 3.1 plus a 170lb passenger. Plus, I spun my tires of the line pretty bad (it was wet out ) and by time I corrected, he took off. Not to make excuses, but honestly if I didn't slip like a MOTHER fucker off the line, I would have taken him.
And yes you are correct, torque wins races. Our 3.'1 and 3100's have WORLDS more torque than your average honda.
But the 302 cougars were badass too. Lots of potential with them.

[torq455]

it's not all about torque. it's about how flat the torque curve is, gearing, weight, and aerodynamics.

as far as torque wins races...very true. without torque, you can't have HP! HP=TQ X RPM

[pontiac3100]

oh okay that explains it.
yea true the cougars where hot....but i think mines hated me.
the worst american car i've ever owned:
the dash went out 3 times.
replaced alt 2x's
ball joint broke twice.
brakes "went" temporarly without warning so either run into my frineds car or hit the pole....chose the pole.
iac went bad.
waterpump went bad.
the motorized seatbelt worked whenever it wanted too.
oh and for the next 3/4 months two studs broke every other day.

i loved my gtz...only thing i did'nt like it was a two door.
the gagt is perfect for me..she's quick and she can handle better than a honda...i found that out today this teg could'nt keep up with the slalom.

i have a question:

okay on the 92/93 n -body has the 3300.
which has 160hp/185tq.

now the 94 3100 has the same specs (loses 5 hp in 95-98 n body)

why did they drop the 3300?
and why is the 3100 faster than the 3300 is it because the torque band is higher or what?

[Azrael]

The 3300 is roughly based on the same block as the 3800 and isn't a 60V6. The 3100 was used simply because it was a newer, more efficient engine, plus it was lighter as the 3300's used iron heads. The 3300's were probably slower due to the difference in gearing between the 3-speed auto they used and the 4T60-E the 3100's used.

I'm curious as to why the 3100 HP figure changed bewteen 94 and 95. A change in standards for dyno testing?

[torq455]

the 3300's also had a torque peak at 2000 rpm. they have 160 hp around 5K rpm due to the very short runners.

i drove a 93 GASE with 3.3 and 3 spd. fdr seemed something like 2.90ish maybe higher yet! went 90 mph in 2nd gear up to 5400 rpm! the 3100's were mated to the 4t60e with fdr of 3.33.

3100 hp changes? who knows, emissions?

[85_305]

oh okay that explains it.
yea true the cougars where hot....but i think mines hated me.
the worst american car i've ever owned:
the dash went out 3 times.
replaced alt 2x's
ball joint broke twice.
brakes "went" temporarly without warning so either run into my frineds car or hit the pole....chose the pole.
iac went bad.
waterpump went bad.
the motorized seatbelt worked whenever it wanted too.
oh and for the next 3/4 months two studs broke every other day.

i loved my gtz...only thing i did'nt like it was a two door.
the gagt is perfect for me..she's quick and she can handle better than a honda...i found that out today this teg could'nt keep up with the slalom.

i have a question:

okay on the 92/93 n -body has the 3300.
which has 160hp/185tq.

now the 94 3100 has the same specs (loses 5 hp in 95-98 n body)

why did they drop the 3300?
and why is the 3100 faster than the 3300 is it because the torque band is higher or what?

Ouch, ya it sounds like a bum/lemon car man Sorry. EVERY single one of my 11 American cars were badassed vehicles that I dont regret one bit. Well, except for selling a few of them.

My '90 GTZ? Ya I love running thirteens. Plus it's a sexy car. Handles fantastic too. Can't wait to drop my v-rate 245/50/16's on it

And a 3300? WOW I've never heard of that lol.

[pontiac3100]

yall did'nt know??
the 3100 has 160hp due to the exhaust set-up.
then loses 5hp due to the exhaust and or the fact it has a maf sensor instead of the 94 which has the map.

the 4-t60e has some CRAZY ASS gearing.
on the highway i'll be doing 75mph @ 2k rpms.
and when you pass the power kicks in!

but according to this site where....
okay you know under the spare tire cover it has all those letters and numbers.
well i think the 4t60e has either 2 different fdr or either 3 of em'.

and yea your fe-7 suspension will handle fantastic, and my fe-3 well does'nt sound too hot but she handles well too.
found that out when this 3rd gen integra could'nt hang.lol.

and as for the cat...thats the reason i hate fords!

[Azrael]

I looked into a few sources and the 94 grand ams are listed at 155HP. The 3100 might have been rated at 160 in other applications in which case it's likely it was still rated at 160 in the same vehicles the following year. Either way, it's not like 5HP really makes much of a difference.

[85_305]

the 4-t60e has some CRAZY ASS gearing.
on the highway i'll be doing 75mph @ 2k rpms.
and when you pass the power kicks in!

Yes I seem to hear this all the time. I think that the reason my '91 isn't quite as quick is because it's got that dog of a vac.-controlled tranny

[3.1cutlass]

so my 91 cutlass has a 3.1 and a 4t60 can i do the tv cable adjust or do i have vacume?

[85_305]

so my 91 cutlass has a 3.1 and a 4t60 can i do the tv cable adjust or do i have vacume?

Yours is a vacuum controlled, so you can do the TV cable adjustment.