if i get a prom programmer-how hard is it to learn

[robertisaar]

LOTS of people here can do it...

[Dstall]

where can i get a chip burned with the tgp code in it?

[no_doz]

How hard is it to learn?

Depends on how many questions you ask.. and we all know you're good for plenty of those


Moates = the best.

oh im sure therell be no shortage of those

[robertisaar]

is there any way to use the gm wiring harness, the burn2, & gm chip to run a non-gm engine or an engine with a different stroke?

in that case the burner and chip wouldn't matter much, but to run a GM harness directly, the non-GM motor would have to use the same sensors and connectors. it could happen, but don't count on it. different stroke won't matter either.

as for using a UV eraser and old stock chips, save yourself the trouble and expense and just use flash chips, it takes less than 1 second to erase the chip and they are rated for THOUSANDS of burns/erases. i wouldn't trust the stock one for more than 5.

[no_doz]

is there any way to use the gm wiring harness, the burn2, & gm chip to run a non-gm engine or an engine with a different stroke?

[no_doz]

lol i appreciate the input-and now thinking about it i remember needing UV light to remove the old info thats on the chip, & that cant happen while its in the memcal-facepalm like a mofo! also my soldering skills are fine, & my questions may seem noobish, but just because i dont have all the knowledge that you do-doesnt mean i have very little-just means i have very little knowledge pertaining to some of the questions i ask (thats why i ask them).

it my seem noobish to you, but i think going out & actually trying half the shit ive come up with is a hell of a lot more noobish than asking people who already know, & listening to them when they advise not to try it, rather than just going out & doing it (no matter how hard i argue, if presented with good viable evidence that its not worth it, i listen & dont go through with it). i took an electrical class while i was at UNOH as well & did quite well in soldering (i used to solder a lot when we'd install a home AC or new coil).

as i said in another thread, if i was really that bad i would be trying to squeeze that LQ1 into a cavvy as we speak, and regretting every minute of it!

[robertisaar]

HAHA, Robert was ninja'd :P

I wouldn't suggets a n00b soldering a PROM. Sorry to say, but yes, you are n00bish there no_doz. Perhaps you will have some questions with substance once you get to tuning

oh yeah, well you can't run A1....

my soldering skills are crazy lately, having to do the 51 little terminals on the conversion plugs, resoldered the wife's GP dash(now the low fuel/check guages lights finally turn off), and my other various little projects...

[ForcedFirebird]

HAHA, Robert was ninja'd :P

I wouldn't suggets a n00b soldering a PROM. Sorry to say, but yes, you are n00bish there no_doz. Perhaps you will have some questions with substance once you get to tuning

[robertisaar]

you can read the stock EPROMs with the HDR1 but you can't write to them using the BURN2, it doesn't allow it, and if you solder a EEPROM in place of the UV eraseable EPROM (C2), then you can use the HDR1 to program the EEPROM and not need to use an adaptor like the G1/G3... essentially you only spend the $5 it costs for the C2, instead of the 30+ for the g1/g3, although if you like the idea of a switching adaptor, you can put 16 different tunes on a C3 and switch them on the fly... i know i like it, but it isn't cheap...

EDIT: Damnit john posted before me...

[ForcedFirebird]

You can't (or don't want to, rather) burn the stock memcal. I have that adapter and it makes it nice to read the stock .bin from the stock chip. You will need some kind of chip adapter socket to make life easier. I have the ZIF with the little lever on it that makes it nice to swap in/out chips, but if you get the regular socket and that adapter it's not bad either (and a little cheaper).

I suggest you get the adapter/chip combination, burner (Burn2), memcal adapter and the ALDL USB cable. That will all set you back a couple hundred, but worth it.

Cable...

http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=127

Burner...

http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=197

Here's the G1 (you will need chips and might want the header to make programming easier)...

http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=32

But you get 2 chips with this socket free (and don't need the header since it's easy to pull the chips)...

http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=41

Header...

http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=52

[no_doz]

lol that makes me feel a LOT better-im going to get the burn2 & the $10 attachment so i can read memcals without tearing them apart-idk if that means i can burn them without tearing them apart-it would certainly be nice!!

i really appreciate all of your guys help, asylum you alone have saved me $200 and a lot of time saving up the $300 & explaining to my gf why im dumping more money into a vehicle lol

[ForcedFirebird]

i've got like a 12" and 6" somewhere... and a pen, and a post-it note thing too... i'm a free stuff whore, i know.

2 6" stickers, 12" sticker, 2 pens, and 2 note pads I wait till i need to order $100 worth of stuff if I can

[no_doz]

...thats just the very basics still, but you catch on quickly after that. although i'm sure i'll see another no_doz post related to "WTF is this shit: continuum transfunctioner voltage VS flux capacitor duty cycle VS MAP"...

most definitely-and that reminds me! on operation repo there was this like 23 or 24 year old kid who was having his -DELOREAN- repo'd! first off ive probably only seen 1 in my entire life, -maybe- 2, & this kid flips out & goes michael jackson like a MOFO.

if you're looking for entertainment i definitely recommend going to hulu & looking up operation repo, and watch "just beat it", i almost cried laughing

[robertisaar]

I've got a few Moates stickers

i've got like a 12" and 6" somewhere... and a pen, and a post-it note thing too... i'm a free stuff whore, i know.

moates IS king shit when it comes to DIY tuning, its tough to beat their prices/service.

and using the burn2 makes it stupid-simple to burn a chip, the software for it(and the integrated screen in TP) calculates all of the offsets and shit for you. basically, choose which chip you're running; hit load file to buffer; program chip; done, unless you verify after every burn(which i do)...

and it looks like brad added in my opinions of tuning into the doc. thats just the very basics still, but you catch on quickly after that. although i'm sure i'll see another no_doz post related to "WTF is this shit: continuum transfunctioner voltage VS flux capacitor duty cycle VS MAP"...

[ForcedFirebird]

I've got a few Moates stickers