Grand Am Dyno 160 WHP

[Mars]

mild cam and 55hp? 35 is overly generous. id expect 15 hp from our street cam and no other mods. Perhaps you meant with other mods? Either way, we haven't done a cam comparison yet to know for sure.

No kidding. I may just have a freak 3400 then. But it just had a 210/214 @ .506" on a 110lsa and put down 213WHP in my fiero, which roughly converts to 245HP at the motor. 3500 exh. manifolds, 3" exhaust and valve springs.

The dyno number isn't "generous" also as many stock cars went on that day and put down factory numbers.

I think you'd see ALOT more then 15 HP...

[SappySE107]

I was talking about a .480 lift with 206ish duration cam. Manual and OBD1 isn't exactly the same thing as what we have here, plus better stock exhaust manifolds than the 3400. Stock 56mm TB as well?

[SappySE107]

+ 8 whp with our stage 2 3400 upper and lower
+ 2 whp with a 65mm LX5 throttle body

Seems we have an issue with break up at higher RPM. Could be more...but we have the same looking graphs for the before as we do the after so that works for now.

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[ericjon262]

+ 8 whp with our stage 2 3400 upper and lower
+ 2 whp with a 65mm LX5 throttle body

Seems we have an issue with break up at higher RPM. Could be more...but we have the same looking graphs for the before as we do the after so that works for now.

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Does the car have headers yet? I would bet that you could gain quite a bit through a good exhaust.

[SappySE107]

no, stock logs are still on it. Upgraded exhaust of some sort is next. I want that done before I put the ported heads on there. Then cams. Then boost. Then Gerson needs a new transmission. hehe

[ericjon262]

no, stock logs are still on it. Upgraded exhaust of some sort is next. I want that done before I put the ported heads on there. Then cams. Then boost. Then Gerson needs a new transmission. hehe

oooh!

I'm gonna take a guess and say headers/exhaust will bump this over 185

[chris_gt_74]

I agree. I'm thinking around 190ish.

[ericjon262]

I agree. I'm thinking around 190ish.

I'm hoping to see about >193 pop up there, but I don't know if the stock cam will do it.

[Futures Passed]

Is it running natural or synthetic oil?

[Mad Scientist]

no, stock logs are still on it. Upgraded exhaust of some sort is next. I want that done before I put the ported heads on there. Then cams. Then boost. Then Gerson needs a new transmission. hehe

Brand new here. Registered just so I could post this plea: Please, please, please do the exhaust in stages. First stage cat back only, then dyno. Then add your down pipe and high flow cat, then dyno, Then no cat, then dyno, Then add the headers, then dyno. This way we can see just how much gain each mod is worth! Also please post the torque figures. Thanks!
Regards,
Eric

[23TrackroadsterV6]

Unless the dyno time is free, might be little bit pricey to dyno after every modification.

[Superdave]

I don't know what Ben is paying for dyno time but at the shop I go to that would be just way too much. you basically need 3 pulls per modification to get reliable results plus install time between them.

I pay $100/hour or $40/pull.. that would be an all day deal.

[SappySE107]

We are absolutely not going through all that for the exhaust.

[23TrackroadsterV6]

Maybe Mad Scientist would be willing to pay for all the extra dyno pulls so "we" can see how much HP and torque each modification adds.

[Mad Scientist]

Geez, quite a welcome guys.

I have to admit I'm kinda surprised. I would've thought that a big, multinational outfit like WOT-Tech would have it's own dyno like Edelbrock does.

Surely, at the very least, an outfit like WOT-Tech has an ongoing relationship with a dyno shop for R&D purposes, and is paying much less than us common folks off of the street pay for dyno time.

The method I am proposing is the scientific way to do it. You want to be scientific now don't you?

Seriously, surely you know that I'm not the only one who would like to know what exactly each mod is worth. Surely YOU would like to know what each mod is worth! You NEED to know so that you can know just exactly WHAT you are selling to your customers. (How well each part performs, etc.)

This information would definitely be helpful and useful for marketing purposes. It would be worth it for that reason alone.

Don't forget, I have a 01 GAGT that I JUST bought, and I'm a potential customer too! (I also have an 03 L67 powered car as well, so I could be a repeat customer.)

At a bare minimum, could you please at least do it in two stages? First stage being the all new exhaust and the second stage being the addition of the headers? Please?
Regards,
Eric