This is sad, funny, and pisses me off

[Superdave]

I've found www.f-bodyhideout.com to be a damn good site.


i've never owned a v6 Fbody (all mine were V8's) but if i did have one i'd hang out here :P

[StudlyCamaro]

lol ,all the v6 f-body sites have been just as shitty, i'm amazed more of the 3.4L f-bodies aren't over here to be honest...

[SappySE107]

Most sites only have shirts and stuff on their stores.

[napatiger]

I can't believe their web store, it only has T shirts???? what kind of store is that? I just registered to f with them.

That other site

Looks like GS Jon had a little trouble. Maybe someone should inform him that if your having charging problems, you shouldn't be using a 300 Watt converter at all, or worse, at night.

Turns out the alt killed my battery

WTF? this is why I feel people are getting more and more stupid by the year, 10 years ago, people would have realized that if the alternator isn't charging the battery will go flat, not that the alternator killed the battery.

[sprucegagt]

That other site

Looks like GS Jon had a little trouble. Maybe someone should inform him that if your having charging problems, you shouldn't be using a 300 Watt converter at all, or worse, at night.

[SappySE107]

oh no, another non-sponsored link!

You guys must be real busy over there deleting those links.

[SappySE107]

I didn't have a problem with any of them. I understand that some people want it all for nothing and I understand that some people don't have a clue what they want, only what they have been told that needs to be done. I remember thinking the same things. I wasn't trying to display attitude. I had a long post all about velocity and cfm and design notes on the gen 4 heads. When I was scrolling through to quote someone I saw my link was deleted. I deleted the 4 paragraphs I wrote and posted "then I guess you wouldn't be intereted in my research for the NA heads". That was as polite as I could post at the time. I should have just left then honestly.

I got the impression you had a problem with some members who questioned your prices (when the links to the 3500 package were still present) and each one of your dozen or so posts after that conveyed the same attitude.

Ok, well I had 12 but only 9 are still on your site. I didn't use profanity. If a remark came off as I wasn't happy with the bullshit your admins were saying, then at least you got that right. However, only 1 post out of the 9 in the 3100/3400 top end is dead thread has any attitude in it.

How can my initial post offend anyone?! These are all my quotes unless specified so you know what im replying about.

"What would be a good price then for a set of heads complete with new parts and cleaned up (minimal porting), manifolds and porting them, head and intake gaskets, and head bolts?

Im going to redo the 3500 swap kit soon to get rid of the 3400 upper and use the 3500 upper with some modifications for swappers."

"I wasn't going to get rid of the option for the 3400 upper. I just need to get a complete 3500 top end kit done. Besides, from the sound of it no one here is gonna buy it from me anyway."

"Stock vs stock, the 3400 outflows the 3500 manifold wise. Ported, the 3500 beats any 3400 offering.

I don't understand what full ported heads are. Sounds like marketing crap to me."

"Then you probably aren't interested in any of the research I did to come up with what I believe to be optimal heads for NA applications."

"Where did the 290 cfm come from? I have seen no flow sheets showing that kind of flow."

"Got a link?"

someone else "Off topic but hey ben I see you made it over here!"

"Not for long."

Someone said they would post the link to the 290cfm aftre they get off work. About 9 pm I post this

"must be working overtime today"


"Yeah, well the heads in those pics aren't flowing 290cfm at .500 lift or whatever. I port heads for a living (and other stuff) and have spent some time doing 3500 parts. If you shroud the valves with a cylinder to replicate what happens on a motor, you won't get that kind of flow. If you flow it on a box without the cylinder, maybe...but who cares?

I have posted the stock flow numbers on the 60degreev6.com site."


I don't make amends with assholes and liars. If you came here to try to make amends, you are wasting your time. I have no problems with you and I am glad you like our site here. I didn't go there trying to make enemies. Nothing in those posts would say otherwise. They lied, I replied calling them out on their bullshit and also explained why their policy hurts them instead of helps. If they are hurt over that, then fuck em. Id like to have the transcript from the deleted thread but I doubt they will have anything to do with that.

[FunkZ]

Camaro95V6, you make a very good point and we could probably do a better job of notifying new members of the rules, maybe in a sticky or faq and a better explanation when modifying a post. If anyone has a question or concern all we ask is that it be voiced in a polite manner, which you certainly did, but unfortunately some had to come along after you and crap up the thread, which is why I suppose it ended up being deleted. I'll see what I can do about getting something put back up however to address that issue.

Sappy I posted here with the intent to try and make things right but to be honest it seems that you could care less. I got the impression you had a problem with some members who questioned your prices (when the links to the 3500 package were still present) and each one of your dozen or so posts after that conveyed the same attitude. I can't speak for the admins but I feel certain your choice of language and open disrespect contributed far more to your being banned than any spamming of advertisements ever could. I'm willing to work with and even go to bat for any member who has a legitimate complaint and represents themselves in a civil manner, feel free to contact me via PM or email.

Thanks

[Camaro95V6]

I agree the 3500 and 3900 engines are more advanced designs and surpass the 3800 SeriesII in performance. That would be great to retrofit either of those into one of the older 60° platforms, although with the Fbody that might take some doing!

Camaro95V6, I'm not sure why I'm quoted in context with Badazz97T/A's post, obviously he has an LT1 so it's not a 3.8 owner "talking down" to a 3.4 owner although that's what you seem to implicate? Some people who start out with a V6 unfortunately don't feel the V6 is worth their time and trade up to a V8, but that's their opinion and they're free to state it as long as they aren't disrespectful to other members. We're not like "big brother" and edit/delete posts just because we don't like their opinion.

Allowing someone to express their opinion is fine as long as it's reasonable. The problem here is the admins say that non-sponsor sites aren't allowed, but what about the new people? I read the forum rules and it doesn't say anything about non-sponsor sites. And when a new person goes back to see if anyone responded to their post, and all it says is "Non-sponsor link removed", without a reason why, who edited the post, and not getting a pm from the admin/mod as to why it was removed, then what is that? As far as I'm concerned my thread about Non-Sponsor links should have been stickied so new people would know that it was a rule. But nooooooooooooo, the thread got deleted. That's right, lets not inform our members of a rule.

[gectek]

i have the same prob with posting on gagt, on some of the forum pages you cant post unless you are a "premium member". well when did they become a dating site? the info is free, but the good stuff you gotta pay for?

[SappySE107]

We're not like "big brother" and edit/delete posts just because we don't like their opinion.

No, your admins delete their lies so I can't point at them and call them out for being assholes. They banned my IP after making a slander comment against me. I had 12 posts there, and spammed no one. I have no respect for [non sponsored link removed].

[FunkZ]

I agree the 3500 and 3900 engines are more advanced designs and surpass the 3800 SeriesII in performance. That would be great to retrofit either of those into one of the older 60° platforms, although with the Fbody that might take some doing!

Camaro95V6, I'm not sure why I'm quoted in context with Badazz97T/A's post, obviously he has an LT1 so it's not a 3.8 owner "talking down" to a 3.4 owner although that's what you seem to implicate? Some people who start out with a V6 unfortunately don't feel the V6 is worth their time and trade up to a V8, but that's their opinion and they're free to state it as long as they aren't disrespectful to other members. We're not like "big brother" and edit/delete posts just because we don't like their opinion.

[Rhedalert]

In 60* section, thread title "just got a 1994 camaro 3.4l t-top", post by Badazz 97 T/A



He stated this like he was an LS1 owner talking to an LT1 owner. Since when do bolt ons make any car go WAY faster than it was stock? It's not gonna happen. There are more advanced modifications that must be done. Just because he happens to have the "bigger" v6, doesn't mean the smaller v6 can't be faster than it. Although the saying "there is no replacement for displacement" for the most part is true, in this case the size difference between these 2 particular engines are not great enough to use that statement as an argument. If the guy with the slightly larger engine has done a half ass job of modifying his engine, and the guy with the slightly smaller engine has done a superb job of modifying his engine, then the tables are turned completely. I think that some 3800 owners are being intimidated by the fact that just swapping 60* FWD top ends(non ported I remind you) onto their RWD counterparts are making more horsepower than they are. As far as I'm concerned, the 3.4 is just as good if not better than the 3800. The advantage that the 3800 has over the 3.4 is the tuning market is bigger. That's pretty much it. Not to mention the fact the compression ratio would still probably be low enough to run high boost from a turbo. Fact is, any car can be made to go fast. People who think that just because they have a 3800, that they are superior to the 3.4 owners can go fuck themselves.

The only thing the 3800 has going for it (in FWD anyway) is the displacement, better designed exhaust manifolds, and the aftermarket (like the higher ratio rocker arms) that's it. Take those away or give the 60-degree engine something similar, and they have nothing. Perfect example is the 3500 and 3900 power numbers vs the 3800.

[Camaro95V6]

The site rule is no non-sponsor link, period. Obviously the mods don't catch every link that gets posted and some are allowed to slide, depending on context. I think we try to be lenient rather than heavy-handed with that rule.

What we have had problems with in the past is unscrupulous "vendors" shamelessly plugging links to their site repeatedly in threads. Because there is a nominal fee (and it's not what was stated earlier) for vendors to put their company logo and website link in the forums, we can't fairly allow vendors who don't pay for advertising to come in and push their wares for free through forum posts. This is why the rule was created.

I'm not saying that anyone here acted in an unscrupulous manner by posting links back to this site, in most cases it's not even intentional or even known that it's not allowed. But the links posted were to a page that detailed a product for sale and included pricing information. Had it been an informational page only (like a 3500 swap FAQ) I probably would have let it slide.

In any case, posts aren't edited out of spite, and as a fellow 60° owner I would hope that both sites can coexist peacefully. While it's true that FullThrottleV6.com may be predominantly 3800-oriented, I can attest that 99% of the members there have nothing against us 60° owners, other than a little sibling rivalry.

This may be my first post here but I am a long-time 60° V6 owner (coming up on 10 years) and I have visited 60degreeV6.com frequently in that time, usually when researching information. There is a lot of good info to be found, although more of it is I think relevant to FWD 60° cars. But I think this whole link issue got blown out of proportion, on both sides, and I would rather see members cooperating and sharing knowledge than getting upset and posting garbage about the other site.

Thanks

In 60* section, thread title "just got a 1994 camaro 3.4l t-top", post by Badazz 97 T/A

i just sold my 1994 3.4 camaro two months ago. had over 200,000 miles.

those mods will certanly help BUT the heads are going to prevent you from seeing real big gains from those mods(the 3.4 heads flow like poo poo on a cow pie in a big batch if horse manuear with sprinkles on the top ). plus the 3.4 takes a ton of money to make it go fast(15's in the 1/4, not very fast) ......so i would just enjoy the car for what it is

He stated this like he was an LS1 owner talking to an LT1 owner. Since when do bolt ons make any car go WAY faster than it was stock? It's not gonna happen. There are more advanced modifications that must be done. Just because he happens to have the "bigger" v6, doesn't mean the smaller v6 can't be faster than it. Although the saying "there is no replacement for displacement" for the most part is true, in this case the size difference between these 2 particular engines are not great enough to use that statement as an argument. If the guy with the slightly larger engine has done a half ass job of modifying his engine, and the guy with the slightly smaller engine has done a superb job of modifying his engine, then the tables are turned completely. I think that some 3800 owners are being intimidated by the fact that just swapping 60* FWD top ends(non ported I remind you) onto their RWD counterparts are making more horsepower than they are. As far as I'm concerned, the 3.4 is just as good if not better than the 3800. The advantage that the 3800 has over the 3.4 is the tuning market is bigger. That's pretty much it. Not to mention the fact the compression ratio would still probably be low enough to run high boost from a turbo. Fact is, any car can be made to go fast. People who think that just because they have a 3800, that they are superior to the 3.4 owners can go fuck themselves.