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  • asylummotorsports
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    You want a 2004-2006 LX9 3500.

    Look for Malibus!

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  • Driver_10
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    Originally posted by no_doz View Post
    ive decided against the 3.5 vvt because i want something thats still very similar to the 3100/3400 engines. considering the hp difference is only around 10 or so, the extra hassle/cost isnt worth it to me not to mention it might save me 200 bucks on an engine as well as parts availability.
    That sound about right to me. In any case keep us posted with pics.

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  • no_doz
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    ive decided against the 3.5 vvt because i want something thats still very similar to the 3100/3400 engines. considering the hp difference is only around 10 or so, the extra hassle/cost isnt worth it to me not to mention it might save me 200 bucks on an engine as well as parts availability.

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  • bszopi
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    To swap in the VVT and RETAIN the VVT, you will need to buy all of the harnesses and PCM/BCM, etc to make it work. If that's your goal, good luck on the 3-6 months...

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  • no_doz
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    and of course i forgot the main point or sticking an american made v6 in a small japanese convertible-which is of course that warm fuzzy feeling you get knowing that you have an american v6 with loads of torque under the hood, & not a japanese 4 cylinder weed-whacker engine

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  • no_doz
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    im still at a crossroads because im not sure whether or not i want to use the vvt or the non vvt-considering this would be put in a small, early-90's japanese car-im not worried about the major swap issues (as long as it will fit but i cant see why it wouldnt) & at this point i want to use either the g6 6 speed manual trans or the 07+ malibu's with the 6 speed auto-either way this will be a project completed over 3-6 months hopefully. itll be a while tho because i need to find me an early 90's celica convertible shell. i still have a few more questions before i decide whether to go 3.5 or 3.5 vvt.

    power wise i noticed that the vvt is has like 15 more hp and 10 less ft/lbs of tq-is this just due to the cam? an how much more are these engines going to weigh than a 3100 or 3400 with all the trim? i figure since fueleconomy.gov rated my old celica that got great gas mileage at 23 city 29 hwy-whereas a stock untuned 3.5/3.5 vvt malibu that weighs 300lbs more gets 20 city & 29 highway-with a tune & some things like gasketmatching/porting/light flywheel & underdrive pulley set (considering i will be removing the AC regardless-as well as a good exhaust-i figure if i keep my foot out of it i should be able to get atleast as good of mileage as my old 4 cylinder 89 did-while having gobs more power & torque.

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  • Driver_10
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    Originally posted by no_doz View Post
    lol this would actually be with a 3100/3400 and it would be in a non-gm vehicle that is particularly light. i dont necessarily intend to do this-im just curious as to what it would take to make one of these into a high rev monster :P. also whats up with the aluminum rods on DD? i said aluminum because i wasnt sure whats best for strength/revs-i believe itd be forged but im too tired to look it up right now-i get off work here in 8 mins
    Im building a High-rev, de-stroked 3500 (now 3.4l displacement) thats being swapped into a 95 camaro.

    heres the thread...



    De-stroking a motor seems to be taboo to most on this thread, but it is a sure fire way safely increase your red-line without risking crank failure.

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  • Nightingale
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    your better off to use the 3.5L non vvt found in the malibu. The 3.5L vvt is the gen4 v6 essentially, where as the 3.5L non-vvt is still sorta gen 3 but slightly improved(better flowing intake setup and heads). The non-vvt engine has more after market including cams from wot-tech, potentially aftermarket rockers from scorpion, and a larger throttle bodies. Also there is a complete swap guide, which should help you get started.

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  • no_doz
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    when i said that i dont necessarily intend to do this-i mean i dont necessarily intend to use a 3100 or 3400 at this point, i only ruled out the 3.5 because i figured those engines would cost me around $1k alone and that they are a huge jump from the 3.1 i know & love. i did some searching on ebay & ive found more than a few of the 3.5 vvts & if they will bolt up to the same transaxle as the 3100/3400s than i think that is the route i would like to take. 210 hp to start is pretty nice especially when compared with the 3.4 dohc that is only a slightly smaller engine but makes the same power-which really impresses me. im going to do some searching but im pretty sure that the 3.5 vvt is the engine id like to build. also, after a lot of deliberation ive decided that the car i want to build with this engine is an early 90's celica convertible. my first car was an 89 convertible, looked very similar to the 90-92's but not as cool & non of the body kits/aftermarket stuff would work for the 89, & ive always loved the way they looked, but hated the 4 cylinder-lack of torque. what do you guys think about this?
    Last edited by no_doz; 03-02-2009, 05:18 PM.

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  • no_doz
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    id love to-but that would take weeks and expose me to lots of information that i may need help with and that i might not understand, let alone weeding out the bs from the good info.

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  • WrathOfSocrus
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    Originally posted by no_doz View Post
    i dont necessarily intend to do this
    You need to do what I did and go to the back of a forum section like the Pushrod Performance section and read every thread. It might take several weeks but it sure beats getting people excited about a new build that will never happen.

    If biting into the that forum section is too much then start with the transmission or suspension sections. Not nearly as many threads but valuable information nonetheless.

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  • no_doz
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    ive found a bunch of the 3.5 vvts on the internet for like 500 bucks-would this be worth doing or are these a lot harder to swap/a lot heavier? i know these have more power & with the vvt i would figure better gas mileage & all around torque curve-am i wrong? also does anyone make vvt cams for these that would be more aggressive for each or more aggressive for just the top end or is this even possible?

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  • RedBird
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    i'm getting a non-vvt 3500 from an 06 malibu, 30k miles for 400 bucks. all the 3100/3400's around here with that same mileage are 600+ bucks.


    3500 FTW!

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  • Nightingale
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    3.5L come in a variety of gm vehicles. Best bet I believe is to look for a 2003-2006 malibu 3.5L. Price range is about the same as the 3100-3400 engines. There are a few extra things you will need to get them to work, but all that is described in the 3500 swap guide thread found at the top of the pushrod performance section. Just make sure to get the non-vvt 3.5L.

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  • no_doz
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    i hear so much about these 3500s but really how cheap can they be to pick up? i can get a 3100 for like $250-300 pretty easy & a 3400 for around 400-how cheap can the 3500 be, which 3500 are we talking about, and what vehicles did it come in? also will it bolt up to all the same transaxles as the 3100 or 3400?

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