Timing Sets.

[gectek]

DEF no dampner on the balancer can kill a chain very quick. VERY quick. even on HD chains

[Superdave]

I was using the 99 timing set but had to go back to the '04 set when i swapped cranks (long story). When i pull the engine this fall i'm going to slap the 99 set back in.

I'm also running a stock 3400 dampener. The engine seems to run smoother and i didn't notice any loss of power last year when i swapped them.

Once the new UDP's with a dampener are out i'll install one of them and see how it runs.

[gectek]

Cost for SS 2010 Camaro, black, shipped?
Sorry. On a more serious note, how much can you get them aluminum GM performance division badges (not the stickers) ?

ill see if i can find them tomorrow....how many?

Maybe they do, but its definitely not of the same quality as the $44 version you get from Advance Auto Parts. A GM cam sprocket weighs 1.19 lbs, the Cloyes one is only .96lbs Just look at the pics, the webbing holes are bigger on the Cloyes set, and also the gear itself is a little thinner in that area too.

The dealer I go to the guy also gives me a pretty good price. It cost me exactly the same as GM Parts Direct shipped, but I'll have the stuff by Monday and not 2 months from now, I've waited 1 month for something to ship from parts direct before.


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shoot me a pn and ill see what i can do, just to give you some kind of idea of how much we sell. we either beat or meet gmpd and our shipping is a)cheaper b)quicker, and c) i can get you tracking the same day it ships

[MY91GT(Z)]

man after all this you shouldnt have to tear into anytime soon hopefully

[onefastV6]

Going with a local place instead, I was looking around and found one in Worcester that I can deliver the parts to, making my turnaround time much quicker. Also this place responded to my e-mail in under an hour, I have still to hear back from Finished Racing about turn around time.

cool, hopefully that will help extend the life of the chain.

[3400-95-Modified]

I am hoping that TCE releases the single roller soon, however worst cast you might want to look into finding the best stock set and sending it out for cryo treatment.
About $25 from this place http://www.finishedracing.com/cryo_pricing.html

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Going with a local place instead, I was looking around and found one in Worcester that I can deliver the parts to, making my turnaround time much quicker. Also this place responded to my e-mail in under an hour, I have still to hear back from Finished Racing about turn around time.

[3400-95-Modified]

also i know for a fact that cloyes makes alot of the gm timing chain setups. idk if they make this one

Maybe they do, but its definitely not of the same quality as the $44 version you get from Advance Auto Parts. A GM cam sprocket weighs 1.19 lbs, the Cloyes one is only .96lbs Just look at the pics, the webbing holes are bigger on the Cloyes set, and also the gear itself is a little thinner in that area too.

The dealer I go to the guy also gives me a pretty good price. It cost me exactly the same as GM Parts Direct shipped, but I'll have the stuff by Monday and not 2 months from now, I've waited 1 month for something to ship from parts direct before.

I am hoping that TCE releases the single roller soon, however worst cast you might want to look into finding the best stock set and sending it out for cryo treatment.

About $25 from this place http://www.finishedracing.com/cryo_pricing.html

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[IsaacHayes]

Cost for SS 2010 Camaro, black, shipped?
Sorry. On a more serious note, how much can you get them aluminum GM performance division badges (not the stickers) ?

[gectek]

im not sure if you guys remember this but i work for gm...and can get you a better price (shipped) than they can on anything just about.

also i know for a fact that cloyes makes alot of the gm timing chain setups. idk if they make this one

[onefastV6]

I am hoping that TCE releases the single roller soon, however worst cast you might want to look into finding the best stock set and sending it out for cryo treatment.

About $25 from this place http://www.finishedracing.com/cryo_pricing.html

[Azrael]

Look at how much lot more meat are on GM's chain. You can't see through the links like you can with the cloyes set.

[3400-95-Modified]

Ok, jumping to conclusions...

Yes that is what my cam gear looked like when I was running the UDP for 60k, This new motor and cam setup with my latest Cloyes set has NEVER SEEN THE UDP. I'm running a stock dampener. Hell I just shipped the UDP to John so they can measure it up to get specs to the guys who want to do a UDP with a dampener.

This latest revision I have had my stock pulley on the whole time, but if I move the crank by hand with a ratchet I can hear/feel a bit of slop in the chain.

I will see what this timing set looks like when I remove it. I don't think it will be as beat as the one pictured above, BUT I do think it will be stretched enough to make noise.

Bottom line holding the Cloyes and stock GM sets in my hand I can FEEL a difference between the two. The Cloyes set just feels much cheaper and thinner, or even a lighter material that doesn't hold up well. This is why I ordered a factory GM set, it should all be in on Monday at the latest. New sprockes, chain and guide.

[geoffinbc]

If your not going to run a damper then this is what you need to be prepared for. No timing set will last without it and its a proven fact.

I still love it when everyone say "Oh I have been running it for a year now and my engine is fine."

Really? Are you sure about that?

Put a new set on. GM, COMP, Cloyes Sealed power or whatever and put your damper back on and it won't happen again. No horsepower is worth more than reliability.

Your sprocket it not worn, its beaten to shit, you can see both the front and back sides of the teeth have been damaged. If it was under constant pull like it should be from the crank then only one side would show major wear and the wear would be polished down and not look like tiny hammers smashed the teeth to hell. Pull the cam, what does the oil pump gear look like?

[3400-95-Modified]

Pretty sure Dave is using a stock, pre-whatever year so as to have the beefier chain.

Ok, thats what I moved on to... no more Cloyes... and yeah I'm pre 2000 chain as well, the heavier one. I stretched a stock 05 chain in 15k miles with LS6 springs and a milzy cam... no way in hell was that going to survive in my new setup. I also think Dave stretched one of those badly too, hence why he went back to the pre 00 version.

I found my full set from the sprocket I posted above, even the crank sprocket shows some rough/sharp edges. I then found my 160k, or 215k mile chain and sprocket set... I cant remember if it came from my wicked high mileage motor, OR if it came from the 160k parts car I bought but either way those sprocket show nearly nothing for wear, and thats 100k at least over what the one I posted above has on it.

I think the Cloyes ones just aren't hardened as well, or maybe I got a bad set... we'll see what the one thats in there looks like when it comes out.

Its almost like a no brainer when you see them side by side too...
Cloyes on right... the chain itself just looks much weaker, Yeah I know its also different because its a roller joint, not rocker so it can bend both directions, but that my help prevent wear if it can only bend in one direction.

[IsaacHayes]

Yeah the FWD pulley has the dampener built in. They are not two separate pieces.

I know Dave is running the older chain, but not sure of brand.