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    Here is a little some thing I made up.
    It shows the 2nd, 3rd and 4th harmonic intake air ranges in an engine.
    There are more harmonic ranges but they are realy narrow and I couldn't get them.
    Current trends have runners getting longer and longer. When you look at SBC to LT1 and LS1.
    The shorter runners have longer harmonic ranges but your talking 5th and 6th ranges that aren't very efficient. The more efficent ranges That are shown) are a lot higher up in the rpm range on the short runners and arn't going to be used by a street engine.
    For you V.E. to be over, at or near 100% you will need to be in red (second harmonic range).
    You see that with the realy long runners that the red is obtainable on a street engine but the ranges are narrow and it would be kind of hard to get those runners under the hood.
    This is one thing they hid on the pro stock engines by covering there intake manifolds that and the shape.
    V.E.
    us & them
    I punched in the #'s for a 2.8l and got 75%.
    When I punched in the #'s for a honda S2000 engine I got 95% V.E.
    That's 20 years 20 more %.
    There useing more rpms pure and simple to get that X harmonic range (dont know how long an S2000 runner is).
    I'm guessing there running the inside 4th harmonic range.
    I say we beat them at there own game with our bigger cube engines but with longer runner intake and higher rpm ranges.
    Does any one know where I can find out the later harmonic ranges?
    Any one have any engine combos, mainly looking for hp, hp's peak rpm and runner length?
    What do you know about this?
    Ever wonder how many G's are put on a piston in one of our engines, check out pg.6 on my cardomain site .
    Seth
    Camaro 1
    85\' 3.4L, T-5, 3.42gears
    Mods at work on,
    car domain site 03/13 Saab intercooler flow numbers.
    85\' IROC Z28 Ttop 5.0L, auto mostly stock.

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    Here is a link to it.

    Or the page on my car domain site that it is also on.
    cardomain site
    I couldn't get it to load.
    Seth
    Camaro 1
    85\' 3.4L, T-5, 3.42gears
    Mods at work on,
    car domain site 03/13 Saab intercooler flow numbers.
    85\' IROC Z28 Ttop 5.0L, auto mostly stock.

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    • #3


      Check it out... Although I haven't messed with it since August, I had been working on a plenum design using longer runners. Stock 3x00 runners are ~15.75" and I think I am sitting at ~22".
      -Brad-
      89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
      sigpic
      Follow the build -> http://www.3x00swap.com/index.php?page=mustang-blog

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        1992 Chevrolet S10
        2.8 v6 tbi 5 speed

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        • #5
          I was thinking of making some thing that kind of looks like a nissan 300Z intake it is a duel plenum and the runners are about 20'' long and that's on the stock engine.
          Seth
          Camaro 1
          85\' 3.4L, T-5, 3.42gears
          Mods at work on,
          car domain site 03/13 Saab intercooler flow numbers.
          85\' IROC Z28 Ttop 5.0L, auto mostly stock.

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          • #6
            Like this?

            -Brad-
            89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power
            sigpic
            Follow the build -> http://www.3x00swap.com/index.php?page=mustang-blog

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            • #7
              Well there's one, how long are those runners? I have not seen one of those engines in a while.
              Seth
              Camaro 1
              85\' 3.4L, T-5, 3.42gears
              Mods at work on,
              car domain site 03/13 Saab intercooler flow numbers.
              85\' IROC Z28 Ttop 5.0L, auto mostly stock.

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              • #8

                Or a dual stage...low rpm and high harmonics.


                Yea. I've been looking into this too. Although I don't know if its relevent since im going forced induction. My runners are going to be semi short..thats all I know. In N/A theres Mach levels, CFM, that mess with the harmonics. Forced..theres pressure..Mach levels drop..and CFM increases with pressure.
                88 Beretta GTU turbo . 90 Black ASC/McLaren TGP, awaiting 4t80. 2003 Grand AM se 3400/4t45 daily grind.

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                • #9
                  I've already got my next design figured. Based on my cam specs, my second harmonic should be set at 22" long runners, so that's what they'll be. I've been researching this crap for over a year now. One of the best sites I found on it was here. http://www.grapeaperacing.com
                  Apparently, runner length isn't as important on forced induction, but the runners are suppose face a flat wall in the plenum, to help hamonic "bounce", according to what I've read.
                  Franz

                  1990 Z24-NA 3.1L
                  14.72 @ 92.24 MPH
                  14.89 @ 94.92 MPH

                  The boost is coming....

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