95 3.4L DOHC Monte Carlo Crazy Idle Issue

[tincherb]

Considering it's a 95, I hope it's the gear and the collette coming off, not the whole cam coming out.

Well boyz I did it now. The cam broke!!! Anyone know where to find a cam?

[pocket-rocket]

Considering it's a 95, I hope it's the gear and the collette coming off, not the whole cam coming out.

[SappySE107]

Its not a C clip. You need to pull the end plate off and see where the metal piece that bolts inside there to hold the cams in place has gone. Its not a thin piece...so something is VERY fucked if you can pull the cam out. That or someone else neglected to reinstall, which is not a good sign.

[tincherb]

Ok, I'm in need of some help. I just got the belt so I went back out to work on this thing. I'm trying to get the cam gear off and now the whole cam is trying to come out. That gear will not come out. Whats the deal? What was holding the cam in place? Whatever it was is broke now. I assume there is a c clip on the other side. Is there a procedure for getting this gear off.

[tincherb]

You can get new ones last I checked...but its been a while. Parts are probably getting harder to find. Oil goes in the back and there should be a plug, yes. The paperclip goes through the side to hold it in position once you have it retracted. If the plug is missing, you can use silicone.

Good...cause there was no plug.

[SappySE107]

You can get new ones last I checked...but its been a while. Parts are probably getting harder to find. Oil goes in the back and there should be a plug, yes. The paperclip goes through the side to hold it in position once you have it retracted. If the plug is missing, you can use silicone.

[tincherb]

tap on the back of the gear and also the screwdriver wedge and pray deal. Sometimes they suck, sometimes they pop right out.

Guess I need to do some more praying. Whats the deal with the hydraulic tensioner. All I have to do is put oil in the thing? Why does no one sell a new one? Is the plug on the back?

[SappySE107]

tap on the back of the gear and also the screwdriver wedge and pray deal. Sometimes they suck, sometimes they pop right out.

[tincherb]

How do the lock rings come out. They appear to be similar to a cone washer on an old toyota front axle. With those you could drive a screw driver in and they would pop out. I tried that on this thing and it wouldn't budge. I'm here for the advice, so whats the best way to pop them loose? One other thing...I truly appreciate you fella's help on this. I wouldn't have got it done right without it.

[SappySE107]

You have to pull the lock rings out and then the gears come off the cams. The hold down will keep the cam from spinning while you rotate the drive sprocket/belt as long as the lock ring has been removed.

[tincherb]

What browser are you using? Also, try pressing CTRL-F5 to clear your cache. The images should be load a larger version upon clicking. Works for me on IE7 (that's all I'm able to test right now).

I run firefox so that on Windows 7. That may be the problem. I'll give your suggestion a try.

Just wanted to let you guys know, I learned how and why your instructions were written the way they are. I couldn't get the cam gear off the cam (that will be a question at the end) so I put the hold down tool on the front cams and removed the belt. Just about quitt'n time, the rear cams sprung on me and scared the crap out of me in the process. We'll, when I get some parts, I'll have to get everything back in time.

Now to the question...do the cam gears come completely off the shaft, or are the hold down tools suppose to be strong enough to keep the gears from turning on when the belt is rotated to rotate the rear cams for the installing the hold tool. This is my first DOHC timing belt and I'm accomplishing some rookie mistakes in the process. Oh well, I'll know better next time.

[bszopi]

I can't click the pictures.

What browser are you using? Also, try pressing CTRL-F5 to clear your cache. The images should be load a larger version upon clicking. Works for me on IE7 (that's all I'm able to test right now).

[tincherb]

I can't click the pictures.

Anyway, I just got the cam sprockets loose... after taking some time to make a holding tool. I need to adjust one came and it appears the others are ok. I would guess the exhaust cam on the front head is out by 10 degrees. I don't know if this is my problem, but compounded with a worn belt, it just might be. The rear head appears to be in parrallel with the head. I'm trying to figure out the best way to adjust the cam. Looks like i"m going to be here a while.

[SappySE107]

one bank should have both flats up while the other bank is 180 degrees out. You have to rotate the crank 360 degrees to do the other bank. The flats should be parallel when the timing mark is lined up on the crank pulley. Are the pics clickable? I thought I had them setup originally to be a thumbnail and click to enlarge deal.

If they are black and make no difference in or out, I would say you have a major problem with something. Can't be the coil packs or module because that effects both sides of the motor. Odd to have 3 bad injectors.

[tincherb]

That should be fixed now.

Unfortunately for me its not.

It appears that the exhaust cam is out. In no way do the flats line up. I made a hold down tool and am going to attempt reset this. Just to be sure...should both the flats on the cams be parallel to the top of the head @ TDC?