If you can't sell them....

[ez112]

Can I just point out how rude this reply was? It could have been construed as helpful in a vague way if you'd left out the parts about insulting how the engine sounds and the quality/upkeep of the car and engine. Instead, it seems like you're just here to say "my car is better."

I didn't get that.

I'm the same way. That's why I never bothered to sell it. I know I'm not gonna make what I invested in it. So I'm stuck with it. D'oh!

[Fiero Brick]

Instead of investing all that money into something that is only going to get you 15-20 hp why not get some dedicated track tires and see how fast it runs now?!? You probably have a low 14 second car there as it sits. Why go to all the effort only to have something that leaks and sound like an old chevy pickup truck? I'm sorry you could not sell it but you must have known you would not get much for it considering how old it is, it's a sedan, it's GM and you know it is not stock. Why kind of market did you think would pay top dollar for it? If you don't enjoy the car get something you do... but never expect to get what you put into a car back when you sell it. Especially something like a W car......Goodluck

Can I just point out how rude this reply was? It could have been construed as helpful in a vague way if you'd left out the parts about insulting how the engine sounds and the quality/upkeep of the car and engine. Instead, it seems like you're just here to say "my car is better."

[CobraCDR]

Instead of investing all that money into something that is only going to get you 15-20 hp why not get some dedicated track tires and see how fast it runs now?!? You probably have a low 14 second car there as it sits. Why go to all the effort only to have something that leaks and sound like an old chevy pickup truck? I'm sorry you could not sell it but you must have known you would not get much for it considering how old it is, it's a sedan, it's GM and you know it is not stock. Why kind of market did you think would pay top dollar for it? If you don't enjoy the car get something you do... but never expect to get what you put into a car back when you sell it. Especially something like a W car......Goodluck

[Coyote_Rage]

well I'm interested, curious to see how this turns out.

[latemodelnewbee]

for those who care i talked to my guy today and he is using 3/8" thick flanges, 1 5/8" primaries, 2 1/4" secondaries into a 3" "y" under the car. now i have just have to wait for my car to get its turn its next in line, its going to be about 2 weeks, full suspension car in front of me. but I will get everyone posted when I find out prices

[ez112]

I can definitely see what you mean there. I made my decision. And I'm happy with it. No one set it for me. The engine did. I just wasn't going to TRY and find something for this car anymore. Doesn't mean I'm going to demod though.

I was just saying that if I was in OldSkool's shoes, I would just make the set for myself and be done with it. It's not really likely someone will keep a set on inventory for other interested party's. He'll just wind up like Milzy. Hell look at cams. Someone makes em, but it's custom.

Ugh. I'm fucking done with just thinking of all this.

Good luck though everyone. Hope you do break the barriers with this engine. I still love it, but I just lost the effort.

[dohcfiend]

well I'm not others that are on here (no offence to any one in particular) if I can't find parts for a car or motor i fabricate to the best of my ablities and what i can't do I go to old co-workers who have better set ups than me like I'm doing with these headers, one way or another I'm going to get these headers made

i like that attitude . on that note perhaps i will be pming you int he future for a few parts still on my want list .

EZ112, go by makes you happy not by some standard that some1 else sets for you that dictates how fast is fast and what is what etc...

ultimately it is your money, your car/truck, you drive it, so do what you enjoy whether it means modding it or not.

[ez112]

These engines are getting older. You will never find that many buyers.

I don't want to be the one that sounds like the jerk here, but OldSkool, just get the set made for yourself and be done with it.

I was EXACTLY in your shoes with I got the final set of headers made for my car. I wanted EVERYONE to be able to get a set and for fellow LQ1 followers like myself to have an option. But look what that led to. NO buyers. I want to know someone else besides DOHCfiend and myself that have a set of Milzy's headers. I mean I appreciate all he's done for me but...I don't know.

After all the frustration I just said screw it. There is ALWAYS going to be someone faster than you and what is there to prove? I can sorta see in your case because you're the fastest there is NA. You can say fastest period because you're the only one who's gone to a track at low altitude. But just give it time...

This is why I just said F it and moved on to my Lightning. I never thought I would say that because I loved my car and still do. But there is just more out there than to spend $100's maybe $1000's for nothing. Mid 12's is damn enough for me.

[latemodelnewbee]

well I'm not others that are on here (no offence to any one in particular) if I can't find parts for a car or motor i fabricate to the best of my ablities and what i can't do I go to old co-workers who have better set ups than me like I'm doing with these headers, one way or another I'm going to get these headers made

[dohcfiend]

oldskoolgp,

i know exactly what your point is, I have done a few product runs myself. Hence my attempt to help by providing info on dohc headers already made.

1st you'd contact the owners, then the builders and see if one of them are game for a run of headers. IMO it would be easier trying to get in touch with some1 that has already made a set be4. It could positively affect the quality of your end products.

latemodelnewbee,

faster and cheaper...... kind of like military intelligence. contradictory in terms. i am sorry to come across the way i do but it is frustrating b/c if i had $1 for every time i seen a post like that, i'd have an 11 second lq1.

that isn't the hilarious part though, the hilarious part is the same users will turn around and complain about not having any parts. i am not asking you to randomly through money at stuff but to be realistic about how much stuff cost.

the price of metal is steadily rising which plays into it. take into account the fabricators that will make the headers. it would be safe to say an average fabricator probably would charge 75/hr and that is on the low end.

just guestimates here but:

i think it would be safe to say that it will cost about $800-$1000 to have a professional construct the prototypes. after that the price will drop to about $730 per set until about 5 sets are pre-ordered, $650 until about 10, 525 until 15 and about $400-450 for 20+ b/c you reach a point where they cannot be made any cheaper b/c they are made by people and people take a certain amount of time to make them plus they need to have profit as well.

so unless oldskool gets 11 or more people involved i think getting a set for less than 6 bills is quite unrealistic unless corners are cut.

i could be wrong but that is the way i see it as of now.

[OldSkoolGP]

Hey if I wanted to get headers made just for me I would. It would cost me a ton and no one else would be able to get a set like them. I want to see somebody commit to making headers for the engine but leaving the option open for sets to be made when someone else wants them. Don't miss the point of what I'm trying to do here.

[latemodelnewbee]

speed does cost money but there is two ways of doing it. throwing money at it until its fast and then buy the CORRECT parts to go faster cheaper

[dohcfiend]

aren't the late model header still like 6 bills, and the air flow charts that i found on this site says that the older heads flow better on both intake and exhaust sides

i got mine for less than 5 bills

there is an old saying, "speed cost money, how fast do you want to go?" if you are not willing to pay 6 bills or more, i doubt you will get any custom headers.

it is the other way around on the headflow i think. stock, the intake flow is pretty close but favors the 91-95 heads(i forget the margin) and the exhaust flow heavily favors the 96-97 heads.

anyway, here is a little help. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/062728-14.html

if there are any 91-95 headers to be found, they will most likely be in that thread somewhere. looks like some1 has a set of 96-97 headers in the last page of it but that doesn't help any of you.

granted fiero headers are not designed for your particular car but perhaps you could talk some $$$ to whoever made a set if you can find any to make them for your application.

p.s. more headers in this page: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/062728-2.html also there is a user called emc209i and if you look in his sig there appears to be 91-95 headers on his fiero.

you have my support and good luck.

[OldSkoolGP]

Exactly. And because the 96-97 heads have those oval shaped port you can't just cut off the flanges and put new ones one. A properly made set of header has primaries that flow from the oval design to round so you'd have to cut a lot of pipe off to make that work. It wouldn't be worth it, and because there are way more 91-95 engines out there, that's the engine that headers should be made for.

I do have extensive head work done and if I'm running 14.3x I gotta believe the heada are doing their job. And I have no desire to rip the heads off my engine again. Obviously I want headers for myself first and foremost, but I want to make sure that a jig gets made by whoever is doing it so if someone else wants a set someday they can get it. Sound like latemodel has a guy that is willing to do that, but I also know that things like this have a tendency to fall through before they're done, so hopefully someone else would be willing to help get a set made too just so we have options. We have a race shop locally that I"m going to talk to about getting a set made and whether or not they'd be willing to make a jig as well.

[latemodelnewbee]

well i stand corrected the later model headers are $975 coated and $725 uncoated seems a bit much to buy them and chop off the flanges off