VTEC just kicked in yo

[montess408]

get a good toque converter and shift kit. and swap to a gen 3 top end (if that is not possible port your gen 2 stuff) that should help out.

[LeftVentricle]

Five speed manuals were only available from 86-88, and only on the Celebrity and 6000, and around 1% were optioned. Quite rare.

X-body cars may have compatible parts...

[robertisaar]

a sedate grocery getter

that just makes it that much better when you do find one...

[LeftVentricle]

Manuals in A-bodies appear to be incredibly rare. I don't have any solid numbers yet, but given the line's image, that of a sedate grocery getter, I don't think it was a very popular option.

[pocket-rocket]

Well something to shoot for is never a bad thing :P In all honesty, before I had swapped the 91 to a manual, I had never seen a manual W body, period, let alone a DOHC one. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't as impossible to find as you might think.

[LeftVentricle]

A manual, while it would be novel in a wagon, isn't really within the realm of feasibility. Since I had my first A-body seven years ago (an '84 6000), I have seen exactly one A-body with a manual in Las Vegas, and it was in a junkyard. The swap is possible, but everything aside from the transmission itself has to come from an A-body. J, L, N and P cars aren't compatible. I'd have to get parts from Mexico probably, since they seem to have a higher number of manual cars.

[pocket-rocket]

I didn't add one to my 91 for no reason

BTW, because of this subject line, I saw a VTEC Civic at a light today and thought to myself "My VTEC kicked in, yo!" and I chuckled.

[robertisaar]

That's why I hate them there autos...

clutch pedals FTW..

[pocket-rocket]

Exactly, the auto tranny stole ~31% of your power...

That's why I hate them there autos...

[robertisaar]

3.8 sfi

blasphemer!

[LeftVentricle]

I am amazed they used it (3.33 FDR) on an A body. I thought it was all lower for them and mostly 3 speeds.

The three speeds were mostly 2.84 (though I've heard of Fieros with 3.33 three speeds), and some four speeds were as well. Those were usually found in the 3.8 SFI (Century GS and T-Type, Cutlass Ciera GT) and 3300 cars, since those engines had enough torque to still motivate it quite well.

[bszopi]

Exactly, the auto tranny stole ~31% of your power...

[SappySE107]

No way in hell 16.99. Even 3.33 FDR wouldn't put you at 16.99, but I am amazed they used it on an A body. I thought it was all lower for them and mostly 3 speeds.

140 crank is about 100 at the wheels, as that is what the beretta I tuned had to start with. I know others had similar results. You didn't lose 31% of the original power.

[LeftVentricle]

What is the final drive and are you sporting a 3T40 or 4T60? I know the A body didn't get a 3.33 FDR like the lumina.

I have the 4T60, and according to my SPID tag it has the GX3 option. Alldata identifies that as 3.33 final drive.

2971 lbs with 100 WHP equates to a 18.04 in a perfect world.

And with 95 like I have it's 18.35, so I'm basically dead on. Strangely, it says if you have 140 crank hp, a theoretical 16.99 is your time. So I've lost 31% of the original power somewhere. I need to channel Tim Taylor and add MORE POWER!!!!1!!

Speaking of, what differences are there between gen2 and gen 3 engine blocks?

Do you have a tach in the car at all?

Not from the factory. To my knowledge, only the super rare Eurosport VRs had a tachometer as an option. I've been meaning to get one anyway.

[SappySE107]

What is the final drive and are you sporting a 3T40 or 4T60? I know the A body didn't get a 3.33 FDR like the lumina.