4t60e Performance Rebuild kit.

[3400-95-Modified]

good information. pretty shitty about the kit even after you spent $400 on it. at least they are sending you the additional parts.

ill be inquiring your assistance when i finally rip into mine. i may just get one from the yard and go through that. unless i can sore a deal on a uber low mile one and just replace the clutches with blue plate ones and then what ever other parts will fail.

Brendan, you would shit yourself if you saw how much aftermarket Raybestos has for the 4t40e. I'll have to check WIT Trans to see if they sell it all.

[IsaacHayes]

I'm watching/listening. Just cause I have a 5spd for my big motor now doesn't mean I won't ever need to build up a 60-e.

[geldartb]

good information. pretty shitty about the kit even after you spent $400 on it. at least they are sending you the additional parts.

ill be inquiring your assistance when i finally rip into mine. i may just get one from the yard and go through that. unless i can sore a deal on a uber low mile one and just replace the clutches with blue plate ones and then what ever other parts will fail.

[3400-95-Modified]

Hello Jonathan,

The bands and steels are not included in the kit.
However due to the miscommunication We are sending them to you because we want you to be a happy customer.
Sorry for any confusion.
The parts will be shipped out on Wednesday 3-31-2010


Best Regards,

Level 10 Tech Department
973-827-1000

They've fixed the issue with me, but I would not advise purchasing this kit from them since they lack some items and especially for the price.

I'm inquiring about a kit listed on www.wittrans.com its called a stage one fiber kit and I wanted to ensure that it is the Stage 1's that Raybestos offers and not a knock off... If it is that fiber kit is only $150, steels are only $36 a overhaul kit is $69 or so, and then you can get a filter kit for $24 or something, AND also get all three bands for about 90-100, and all that added up your still under level 10's price of $398... I also think their Bulletproof claim on the kit I bought is BS since there is nothing included in that kit that would make my trans bullet proof... Hell it doesn't even have the hardened reverse shell.

Once I have conformation that they do sell the same kit I will post up a new thread with a link to their website with the parts they have listed.

VERY competitive prices from them as well... Valve bodies available and everything!

I seem to be the only one posting here... Anyone care? This also applies to 4t65e's as well... And Raybestos has TONS of fiber choices for that trans... even performance bands along with clutches.

[3400-95-Modified]

Very dissatisfied with this kit...

I expected a banner seal kit, a filter kit, a clutch kit, and a steel kit and hell for 398 I expected maybe a band or two...

NOPE... It was a Banner kit, a filter with no seal, and a Raybestos Stage 1 clutch kit... NO steels and NO bands... WTF

I can buy all of that from WITTrans.com for cheaper than their kit!

This was my latest e-mail to them.

Lets see what happens.

Level 10,
I received my kit today after a lengthy wait without any shipping updates to me. When I called and inquired about this kit I was told it was a “full rebuild” kit I asked twice over the phone if the kit had the required clutches and steels to do a full rebuild and to be matched with whatever performance clutches you provided, I was told once again it’s a “full kit” it has everything I need to do a rebuild. When I got my kit today I opened it to find that it is simply a Friction module Stage 1 and a Banner gasket kit and a filter. I was expecting a banner kit, a filter, a clutch kit and a steel kit and maybe a few bands for the price I paid… I did not expect the bushings since I was told on the phone that those were not included.

I would like to have the steels sent to me along with a forward and reverse band, Or I will ship what I currently have in my hands back for a full refund, and I will purchase my parts elsewhere. I am HIGHLY dissatisfied with the lack of parts included in this kit and what you charged me for it.

I can return this kit and go purchase a forward and reverse band, a full overhaul kit, a filter kit with bonded pan gasket, the Stage 1 clutch kit, and a full Steel kit for my 4t60e from elsewhere for cheaper than your “bulletproof kit.”

I hope this can be resolved quickly.

-Jonathan Chmura
860-823-9421

[3400-95-Modified]

Well I guess the Credit Card hang up was quite possibly my shipping address. I called them today after UPS did not deliver the kit to work here, and they gave me a tracking number this time, Its out for delivery today to my home address. I'm assuming with the delay they just changed the shipping address to my home one and it went through. They were still 1 week behind as far as shipping when they said they would.

I also contacted Raybestos direct to find out what they put together since I never got any specific info from Level 10... They returned my call and said that they sell their Stage 1 Red kit, plus the rest of the needed rebuild items since it was listed as a full kit. I'm still a bit pissed on the price right now but that may change when I see what I have at home waiting for me. If its just the fibers and and gaskets I'm going to send it back... I can get a full red fiber and steel kit and two bands and the 3rd ZPak for $316 shipped from WIT +$63 for the banner gasket and seal kit I already have, thats still under the 398 Price of this kit.

So now I guess stay tuned till 4:30 for some updated ranting, BUT hopefully satisfaction.

They may pull themselves out of this hole, but we'll see.

[3400-95-Modified]

As of right now I'm going to say to stay away from Level 10 First off their customer service SUCKS! And they are extremely slow at finalizing orders. First excuse was my Credit Card company delayed payment, But they never contacted me, so I find that hard to believe, And now second they couldn't get me a tracking number last Friday because their UPS machine was down... I ordered this kit on the 17th, they are in Hamburg NJ only ONE shipping day via Ground away from me... So if they said it shipped on Friday then it better be here today. Also when I get the kit, I better be able to decipher whats in it as far as brand quality and part numbers, or the whole thing is going back.

I found a New PDF on Raybestos that lists all the clutches that work with a 4t60e including all the high energy performance stuff they make, so if the parts I get are not on this list, and I can't verify that they are of a performance quality then they are going back and I'm ordering direct from Raybestos.

I will update this thread later today after UPS arrives... approx 11:45

Attached is the Raybestos application chart PDF for the transmissions they make parts for. The 65e is listed as well if those out there were wondering what performance clutch packs fit it.

[3400-95-Modified]

Sorry, I've been busy I'll get that pic up tonight when I get home.

[willyman82]

willyman, I'll get you a pic of the old TCC valve vs the new one with the teflon seal.

I am anxiously awaiting this picture. My fix is working to make my car drivable, but it still shudders before unlocking the TCC at a higher threshold. I will be posting the schematic and diagram this weekend.

[3400-95-Modified]

My kit should be shipping tomorrow so I will try to get pictures of everything that comes in it on wednesday, or thursday, depending on when it shows up.

[3400-95-Modified]

This is why I wanted to run through my trans.

All of these clutches had a dark ring on the bottom side. These clutches are for the Input gear or 1st, it looks almost like they may have been heating up/slipping.


And one of my bands has a nice burn mark right down the middle of it.


Left a hot spot on the drum, but no surface scaring


Also I went through my valve body and swapped out all the stock valves for the replacement Sonnax ones, and I'm glad I did that... Many of those were badly worn, and would get stuck in the bores. All cleaned up and swapped out and they all move freely.

side by side 3-4 and 4-3


The improved 1-2 anti-stick one


I did the 2-3 and 3-2 as well, and did the high ratio boost valves to replace my low ratio ones. Same as I did on my red car trans and I was pleased with the result.

So right now I'm just waiting for that kit to come in and I need to order a new low band which is only 9 bux, thankfully.

willyman, I'll get you a pic of the old TCC valve vs the new one with the teflon seal.

[willyman82]

Never having rebuilt any ATs causes those of us who either can't or won't to admire those who can and do work on them.

Having never rebuilt and auto, but worked on many manual's I would have agreed with you 4 days ago. I purchased the technition's guide for my 4t60e TCC problem and have since studied it in detail. It is definitely many times more complex than a manual, but the manual has demistified its functions and I would feel comfortable doing a rebuild with the rebuild book for torque specs on everything. If you are interested in autos, I suggest you buy the book and study that instead of watching the videos. Sometimes they skip over certain things that can add to confusion later (in my oppinion).

[3400-95-Modified]

Yes, standard replacement Raybestos clutches. But as you noted I have it out, I'm doing it now, and when you break it then it typically costs 10x as much to fix, it's called preventative maintenance... In the end its cheaper, and a bit more intelligent.

To be honest next year I may pull the motor and trans again, BUT I will NOT be working on them, they will just be removed so I can gain access to some of the stuff in the engine bay I wish to clean up that I haven't been able to get to this year.

As well as fully coating the underside with a uniform material, rather than bed coating where it was needed and not touching the rest... looks cheap that way.

[IsaacHayes]

Yeah but your cam bearings were sealed power and those obviously do not match OEM quality/durability.
Yours might have seen more abuse as far as power, but as far as driving it like an idiot, and actually looking bad inside, I'm sure my never been touched 200,000++ mile trans is the winner there.. .lol My chain has been loose forever. You can feel it "slam" when it takes up the slack a lot in town, like a bike chain that's loose.

I'm not dogging on you, just giving you crap. "You gotta break what you have first!" I probably wouldn't have the patience to take apart a trans with only 15k on a rebuild. I'd wait until it started slipping then throw in upgraded stuff. Props for having that ambition! But if you have everything out anyway now is a good time to do it though. And you've done it before so you know what's in store so it should go fairly quick.

As my friend says "yesssss, Spend that money!'

What brand clutches were in the transstar kit? I thought it was raybestos too? (but not blues)

[3400-95-Modified]

My cam bearings only had 15k miles on them... They were still baby's too...

I highly doubt I could build this trans with a stock kit, NOT oem parts, and then expect it to run 100k miles with the power I'm pushing through it.

My red car, well thats a different story... I left that alone ever since I fix a part in it after 06 Bfest... its been mated to a few different engines too, and I think the short time that it was mated to my hybrid it stretched the chain like a mofo... You can feel the slop in it now, and that chain probably does not have over 100k on it.

Yes the clutches should look like new, but with what I've done to it, ANYTHING is possible. I'm sure mine saw quite a bit more abuse than yours did.

Also why is it that I find a performance kit for a 4t60e (yes that was known about but not discussed) people rag on me still... Also if someone finds a performance part for a 3400 and goes to throw it in a 4k mile motor no one says "you just rebuilt it why bother" I'm trying to take what everyone calls the weak link and make it do something, rather than always being called the 4TsleezyE

I'm probably tearing the trans apart tonight to see what I have going on so if I need new pump parts I can order them. I did not replace the veins in this pump when I got it, but at that point it only had 75k original miles and they looked/measured good. And YES the OEM clutches then being driven by the owner before still looked new. I can't guarantee the replacements were the same quality though, and I doubt I'm driving it the same way she was, or even at the same power level...