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  • vx355
    • Jan 2004
    • 7

    #1

    mill heads or change pistons?

    I have a 93 3.1 out of my beretta that I am building. I have the cam and the other parts worked out, now I am wondering if I should have the heads shaved .020 or change to 3100 pistons. Anyone have some suggestions of ideas? Thanks
  • geoffinbc
    Iron Head Enthusiast
    • Oct 2003
    • 5831

    #2
    Shaving the heads will raise compression

    3100 pistons will lower it ALOT

    So whats your goal? More or less compression?
    1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
    1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
    Because... I am, CANADIAN

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    • GPXSS
      • Oct 2003
      • 588

      #3
      Originally posted by betterthanyou
      Shaving the heads will raise compression

      3100 pistons will lower it ALOT
      How do you figure 3100 pistons will lower compression?

      Personally id shave the heads only as a last resort.. you throw off alot of specs by doing that and make the head more prone to warping.
      I modify stuff

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      • Compufreek
        • Oct 2003
        • 101

        #4
        I thought the bottom end was the same on the 3100 and 3.1. I have shave .015 off my 3100 heads and noticed a difference. How can I tell how much my CR is raised?

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        • robby1870
          Squaddoosh
          • Oct 2003
          • 584

          #5
          You should have done a compression test before and after the milling after it, you should have gotten a higher reading on the guage
          Robby Whitesell
          2006 Pontiac G6 GT
          1985 Toyota Pickup DLX

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          • geoffinbc
            Iron Head Enthusiast
            • Oct 2003
            • 5831

            #6
            Originally posted by GPXSS
            Originally posted by betterthanyou
            Shaving the heads will raise compression

            3100 pistons will lower it ALOT
            How do you figure 3100 pistons will lower compression?

            Personally id shave the heads only as a last resort.. you throw off alot of specs by doing that and make the head more prone to warping.
            LOL sorry.. Im in iron head world here. 3100 pistons wont chage compression cuz you already have al heads.

            Using an iron head, head gasket will raise compression
            1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
            1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
            Because... I am, CANADIAN

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            • RidgeRunner
              • Oct 2003
              • 971

              #7
              Originally posted by betterthanyou
              LOL sorry.. Im in iron head world here. 3100 pistons wont chage compression cuz you already have al heads.

              Using an iron head, head gasket will raise compression
              So what makes up the difference in compression ratio from the old 3.1 and the 3100? I thought it was pistons.
              60v6's original Jon M.

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              • geoffinbc
                Iron Head Enthusiast
                • Oct 2003
                • 5831

                #8
                Ahh Touché

                Indeed the pistons do make the difference. But was it not also combined wih other things?
                1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                Because... I am, CANADIAN

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                • vx355
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7

                  #9
                  Is it the depth the piston sits in the hole? I am thinking due to the relation of the piston rod height in the 2 different pistons. Anyone ever done a measurement in this? If not, I have both so I could take a measurement for those interested.

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                  • robby1870
                    Squaddoosh
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 584

                    #10
                    I thought it was the piston dish that changed. I may have some specs, I'll have to search around on my computer.

                    EDIT: According to my info a 3.1L has a piston dish of 26.4 cc's and a 3100 has a piston dish of 24.6cc's And a 3.1L has a piston compression distance of 1.45in and a 3100 has a distance of 1.47in. Those should make up for the .6 difference in compression
                    Robby Whitesell
                    2006 Pontiac G6 GT
                    1985 Toyota Pickup DLX

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                    • Rhedalert
                      Dr. Feelgood
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 1574

                      #11
                      9.6-8.8= .8
                      Brian

                      '95 Cutlass Supreme- "The Rig"
                      3400 SFI V6, 4T60e
                      Comp Cam grind, LS6 valve springs, OBD2 swap, Tuned
                      2.5" DP/ 2.5" dual exh/ Magnaflow Cat/ crap mufflers/ 3500 Intake manifold/ 65mm TB
                      TGP steering Rack/ 34mm Sway Bar/Vert STB/ KYB GR2's

                      '08 Chevy Trailblazer SWB 1LT "Smart Package"- LH6 5.3L V8/4L60e, A4WD

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                      • robby1870
                        Squaddoosh
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 584

                        #12
                        Brian + pointing out dumb shit = FAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
                        Robby Whitesell
                        2006 Pontiac G6 GT
                        1985 Toyota Pickup DLX

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                        • RidgeRunner
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 971

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rhedalert
                          9.6-8.8= .8
                          But is the 3x00 really 9.6:1, or is it 9.5:1? And is the oldskool 3.1 8.8:1, or is it 8.9:1? So it could be .6, .7, or .8 difference.
                          60v6's original Jon M.

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                          • robby1870
                            Squaddoosh
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 584

                            #14
                            My info shows 3.1L has 8.9 (no turbo) and 3100 has 9.6
                            Robby Whitesell
                            2006 Pontiac G6 GT
                            1985 Toyota Pickup DLX

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                            • Rhedalert
                              Dr. Feelgood
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 1574

                              #15
                              WTF? Forget it.
                              Brian

                              '95 Cutlass Supreme- "The Rig"
                              3400 SFI V6, 4T60e
                              Comp Cam grind, LS6 valve springs, OBD2 swap, Tuned
                              2.5" DP/ 2.5" dual exh/ Magnaflow Cat/ crap mufflers/ 3500 Intake manifold/ 65mm TB
                              TGP steering Rack/ 34mm Sway Bar/Vert STB/ KYB GR2's

                              '08 Chevy Trailblazer SWB 1LT "Smart Package"- LH6 5.3L V8/4L60e, A4WD

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