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  • merlot566jka
    • Nov 2006
    • 570

    #1

    dual plenum part two.....

    so the last plenum had a vacuum chamber that shared the vacuum between both plenums. the problem is that the iac fed into this chamber, and when the iac opened it was jacking up the map values and the iac would just keep opening more and more, untill the vacuum looked right for an idle....the end result was a 2500rpm idle.

    to fix this, im making a whole new plenum. in this the vacuum will come from a combined chamber of both plenums. the iac will feed into a seperate chamber where there will be an individual tubes going to each velocity stack. here is a paint diagram....


    and when my camera decides to load ill show you the pics of my new supplies
    3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
    96 LT4 6spd corvette. 355, AI 215cc LT4 Comp CNC Heads, Prope SRS pistons, Ported intake, ARH long tubes, Corsa Indy Pace 4:10 gears
    2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo 6spd
    1970 M35A2 Deuce and a Half, Spin on filters, Turned up IP, HIDs, Flat Black, 11.00x20 singles.
  • merlot566jka
    • Nov 2006
    • 570

    #2

    3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
    96 LT4 6spd corvette. 355, AI 215cc LT4 Comp CNC Heads, Prope SRS pistons, Ported intake, ARH long tubes, Corsa Indy Pace 4:10 gears
    2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo 6spd
    1970 M35A2 Deuce and a Half, Spin on filters, Turned up IP, HIDs, Flat Black, 11.00x20 singles.

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    • IsaacHayes
      Mr. Orange.
      • Apr 2006
      • 6030

      #3
      Actually, they way you have the picture you should use that for IAC/everything no problem. My guess the last plenum had a leak or the MAP was only reading one side.

      The MAP and brake booster need strong vacuum that's not shared with anything.

      If the TB you are using does not have a built in IAC, then running an external one that feeds both sides is recommended.

      If you are going custom I'd keep the plenum's seperate with the TB blades. Then just make a connection on the back/center of each plenum with a T that goes to the brake booster, and another for MAP farther away from that one, then a smaller one for whatever else like FPR.
      sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
      1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
      16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
      Original L82 Longblock
      with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
      Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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      • merlot566jka
        • Nov 2006
        • 570

        #4
        it has an iac in the tb, but the problem is getting it to feed both plenums equally.
        the map was feeding off the same chamber that fed everything else. in other words it didnt get acurate readings.

        i see what your saying there, make it true dual plenums and then run a connection between the two for the map, one for the brake booster and one for fpr and one for pcv
        3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
        96 LT4 6spd corvette. 355, AI 215cc LT4 Comp CNC Heads, Prope SRS pistons, Ported intake, ARH long tubes, Corsa Indy Pace 4:10 gears
        2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo 6spd
        1970 M35A2 Deuce and a Half, Spin on filters, Turned up IP, HIDs, Flat Black, 11.00x20 singles.

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        • IsaacHayes
          Mr. Orange.
          • Apr 2006
          • 6030

          #5


          I just found that, haven't looked at it all that much but has some cool stuff I thought you might get some ideas from maybe?
          sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
          1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
          16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
          Original L82 Longblock
          with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
          Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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          • merlot566jka
            • Nov 2006
            • 570

            #6
            interesting! i havent seen that site yet.

            heres what i got most of my ideas from


            http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/69...l-plenium.html
            Last edited by merlot566jka; 12-26-2007, 09:53 PM. Reason: i need a cnc machine
            3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
            96 LT4 6spd corvette. 355, AI 215cc LT4 Comp CNC Heads, Prope SRS pistons, Ported intake, ARH long tubes, Corsa Indy Pace 4:10 gears
            2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo 6spd
            1970 M35A2 Deuce and a Half, Spin on filters, Turned up IP, HIDs, Flat Black, 11.00x20 singles.

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            • Superdave
              Been there, Built that.
              • Sep 2004
              • 5850

              #7
              you should do something like this...






              Past Builds;
              1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
              1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
              Current Project;
              1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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              • torq455
                If I only had money!!!
                • Dec 2003
                • 1615

                #8
                i know what that's from!!!!!! mmmmhmmhmmm!
                Andy

                sigpic

                fastest 1/8: 10.19@ 67.17
                fastest 1/4: 16.16@ 82.70

                62mm TB, 1.6 roller tip rockers, Ostrich 2.0, UD pulley, TB heater bypass, K&N, 180* stat, No cat, 99Grand AM dual cooling fans. 4T65E swap FDR 3.69, EP LSD, F.A.S.T. transmission controller, TransGo shift kit.

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                • Ortie666
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 340

                  #9
                  Thats one of twm's injection systems on that manifold, it has the same flange faces as a set of tripple barrel webers.. I have been trying to find a cheaper set of the webers or zenith's for a couple of years now.. I had that plan after I built my first manifold, little did I know thay actualy made them..
                  VIDEO Acadian http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...7f00197eea.htm
                  VIDEO Chevette http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...500156e11b.htm


                  Six-t-Six Motorsports
                  2.8L Chevette Roadcar
                  3.2L Acadian Racecar

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                  • Ortie666
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 340

                    #10
                    First manifold.. wasnt too great.. had a real stiff 3000rpm powerband, not too streetable especialy in a 1900lb car
                    Attached Files
                    VIDEO Acadian http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...7f00197eea.htm
                    VIDEO Chevette http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...500156e11b.htm


                    Six-t-Six Motorsports
                    2.8L Chevette Roadcar
                    3.2L Acadian Racecar

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                    • bszopi
                      Site Coder
                      • Apr 2000
                      • 9191

                      #11
                      Its kind of slow at work today, so I played some on the side...



                      I'm still playing with it, but I think that gives you an idea of what Isaac was talking about.
                      -Brad-
                      89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power

                      Follow the build -> http://www.3x00swap.com/index.php?page=mustang-blog

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                      • merlot566jka
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 570

                        #12
                        ah i c,

                        im too lazy to draw mine up all the way. im more of a 'fab as you go' type of person. i dont like to put too much pre-planning into it. i like it all infront of me and hands on to make it work
                        3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
                        96 LT4 6spd corvette. 355, AI 215cc LT4 Comp CNC Heads, Prope SRS pistons, Ported intake, ARH long tubes, Corsa Indy Pace 4:10 gears
                        2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo 6spd
                        1970 M35A2 Deuce and a Half, Spin on filters, Turned up IP, HIDs, Flat Black, 11.00x20 singles.

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                        • IsaacHayes
                          Mr. Orange.
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 6030

                          #13
                          A good design though is something to take your time with. Unless you just like having lots of different prototypes lying around!
                          sigpic New 2010 project (click image)
                          1994 3100 BERETTA. 200,000+ miles
                          16.0 1/4 mile when stock. Now ???
                          Original L82 Longblock
                          with LA1, LX9, LX5 parts
                          Manifold-back 2.5" SS Mandrel Exhaust. Hardware is SS too.

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                          • IanSzgatti
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 519

                            #14
                            is there an ideal plenum volume you'd like to see relative to total combustion chamber volume?

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                            • merlot566jka
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 570

                              #15
                              grapeaperacing.com

                              youll find the info youre after above. for my set up im looking for power in the 6800 rpm range. with that and dual plenum im looking at 70-80 cubic inch plenums. the 3500 plenum is well over 3000cc. with large plenums, a smaller tb works well and with smaller plenums, larger tbs work well. realitive small and large...nothing extreme. usualy plenums are a funtion of the cylinders they feed, in that of a percentage. smaller plenum is good for low end and large plenums are good for high end. when you get into the helmholtz resonators, plenum volume gets funky. that is my over all goal with the dual plenums, to take advantage of the helmholtz resonator and have the presure waves arive at the back of the valve just before it opens.
                              3500, 1280 cam and PR, ls6 valve springs, port and polished heads, ported lim, ported uim, 4.3 70mm tb, ported trueleo headers and y pipe ALL FOR SALE (minus the car)
                              96 LT4 6spd corvette. 355, AI 215cc LT4 Comp CNC Heads, Prope SRS pistons, Ported intake, ARH long tubes, Corsa Indy Pace 4:10 gears
                              2012 Chevy Sonic Turbo 6spd
                              1970 M35A2 Deuce and a Half, Spin on filters, Turned up IP, HIDs, Flat Black, 11.00x20 singles.

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