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  • 2.8-350TBI
    RWD FTW!!!
    • Sep 2009
    • 350

    #1

    ¿Gen III cam in Gen I block?

    Im in the midst of planning a 3400 head swap on my TBI 2.8, and wanted to know if I can use a gen III cam in my gen I block. Im getting the 3400's heads, pushrods, and lifters soon, and want to know in which direction im heading...

    Also, before the cam swap, can I use the 2.8 cam w/ the 3400 lifters and pushrods, or what would be the ideal setup for the valvetrain?
    Originally posted by Mars
    Haha ^ Wrong Wheel Drive.
    S10 Blazer 4.3, turbo LX9 in its future...
    No 60ºV6 at the moment
  • bszopi
    Site Coder
    • Apr 2000
    • 9183

    #2
    Since the 3x00 cam is a roller cam, you need roller lifters. For roller lifters, you need some type of anti-rotation device. Standard roller lifters with anti-rotation bars won't work because the spacing is different for the 60 degree engine lifter bores. Gen 3 blocks have provisions to bolt an anti-rotation block to the engine block. In order to do this on a Gen 1 or 2 block, the block itself would have to be modified to make it work. Its been done before, so it is possible. Just not sure its really worth it.
    -Brad-
    89 Mustang : Future 60V6 Power

    Follow the build -> http://www.3x00swap.com/index.php?page=mustang-blog

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    • ForcedFirebird
      Live life 3.7mi at a time
      • Jan 2007
      • 4555

      #3
      Brad, don't forget the lifter galley being covered after a certain amount of lift.

      This topic has been duiscussed many times.

      also, don't forget, if you go to the roller cam, your timing chain options are going to be limited.
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      • Superdave
        Been there, Built that.
        • Sep 2004
        • 5850

        #4
        you are much better off going with an aftermarket flat tappet cam, the stock gen3 cam isn't much better than what you have now.

        A Comp 260H is a fairly common choice, it'll like the better heads you are using as well.
        Past Builds;
        1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
        1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
        Current Project;
        1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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        • ForcedFirebird
          Live life 3.7mi at a time
          • Jan 2007
          • 4555

          #5
          Eww.

          Not a fan of the 260h outside a stock P(E)CM with no tuning.
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          • Superdave
            Been there, Built that.
            • Sep 2004
            • 5850

            #6
            Originally posted by ForcedFirebird View Post
            Eww.

            Not a fan of the 260h outside a stock P(E)CM with no tuning.


            with the 1.6 rockers that puts it up to .469 lift with 260 adv on a 110 LSA, not extreme but better than the stock cam for sure.

            the Crane H272-2 would be great but it's kinda hard to find those any more.. lol
            Past Builds;
            1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
            1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
            Current Project;
            1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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            • ForcedFirebird
              Live life 3.7mi at a time
              • Jan 2007
              • 4555

              #7
              Originally posted by Superdave View Post
              with the 1.6 rockers that puts it up to .469 lift with 260 adv on a 110 LSA, not extreme but better than the stock cam for sure.

              the Crane H272-2 would be great but it's kinda hard to find those any more.. lol
              Not if you buy a flat tappet cam from me
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              • 2.8-350TBI
                RWD FTW!!!
                • Sep 2009
                • 350

                #8
                So all this means im sticking with my hydraulic lifters and a hydraulic lifter cam then.
                Are the hydraulic lifters compatible with the 3400 pushrods???

                It seems like I can source a crane H272-2...
                Although its kinda expensive, if any of you guys have a hydraulic lifter cam under $200, hit me up
                Originally posted by Mars
                Haha ^ Wrong Wheel Drive.
                S10 Blazer 4.3, turbo LX9 in its future...
                No 60ºV6 at the moment

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                • 2.8-350TBI
                  RWD FTW!!!
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 350

                  #9
                  P.S., ill be using MEGASQUIRT II
                  Originally posted by Mars
                  Haha ^ Wrong Wheel Drive.
                  S10 Blazer 4.3, turbo LX9 in its future...
                  No 60ºV6 at the moment

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                  • Superdave
                    Been there, Built that.
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 5850

                    #10
                    you will need custom length pushrods when using gen 3 heads on a gen1/2 block.
                    Past Builds;
                    1991 Z24, 3500/5 Spd. 275WHP/259WTQ 13.07@108 MPH
                    1989 Camaro RS, ITB-3500/700R4. 263WHP/263WTQ 13.52@99.2 MPH
                    Current Project;
                    1972 Nova 12.73@105.7 MPH

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                    • ForcedFirebird
                      Live life 3.7mi at a time
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 4555

                      #11
                      Maybe need custom pushrods, maybe not. The Gen 2 pushrods are close, but will need to be measured at final assembly.

                      Flat tappet cams are $290 and that includes new magnum lifters.
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                      • 2.8-350TBI
                        RWD FTW!!!
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 350

                        #12
                        Thanks for the input guys, I will measure once im ready to start the project

                        ForcedFierebird, what are the specs on the flat tappets?
                        Im looking for something around 260 degrees plus, pleferrably above 272
                        Originally posted by Mars
                        Haha ^ Wrong Wheel Drive.
                        S10 Blazer 4.3, turbo LX9 in its future...
                        No 60ºV6 at the moment

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                        • DefEddie
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 194

                          #13
                          Hey forced,if that cam and lifter kit comes with all the other stuff similar to this one
                          http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-K16-233-4 timing set,springs,retainers etc..
                          and is a similar grind then I might be interested in that in the coming weeks.
                          PM me if you can do something similar,I need a cam kit.

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