I swear, some people should be shot on sight

[Guest]

thank you mach for giving an unbiased and non emotional view, I thought I was the only one seeing past the authors need to make this out to be more than what it was, you are absolutly right, it is disgusting, but the question should be is it criminal. I couldnt put it better. You are right about the tribe being in south africa, the same tribe also practices mutalation of a womans clitoris when she gets married to keep her faithful by removing pleasure from sex.

I have heard a bit about that tribe. I feel sorry for those women, and am glad I'm not a woman in that tribe.

Anyway, yes I too am interested on what charge he has been charged with, or is being held on.

The things I can come up with are:
-breach of parole
-tampering with private property, there's another term that is just not coming to me. (shutting off the water supply to the urinals)
-Predator (sexual or intent to do harm)
-Couldn't Sodomy be mixed in this somewhere? I mean he's not directly performing acts with these children, but this would go along the lines of Scat, which I believe falls under sodomy laws.
-Also there's probably some law about this urine being taken from these kids, I think maybe if the urine was from someone over 18, the connotations about it would be different, since it could be consensual, where as even if these kids, held that cup and handed it to this guy, the permission of the parants was not given, so it's still not a legal transaction.

It'll be interesting to hear what the charges actually were/are.

[Mach10]

I can see your point about OCD, but I still disagree.

OCD in the context that you describe it could be applied to ANYBODY, at ANYTIME, that feels the need to repeat an action everyday, such as getting up and heading straight to the restroom to take that morning leak. That's not OCD as far as I'm concerned that's habit.

I don't see his need to drink this urine as OCD, but a much deeper problem. I do agree that in some cases OCD is or could be the indication of a deeper issue.

Maybe it's just because my own personal OCD causes no harm to myself or others that I take some offence to the statement.

Yes,I do agree Canada's laws seemed to be a bit skewed when it comes to the definitions, but that's a whole 'nother topic.

I appologize if I gave offense. One thing definitely has to be cleared up, and you bring up an excellent point.

The manual that psychologists and psychiatrists use for diagnosing and categorizing mental illness is called the DSM-IV.

The problem with any kind of mental illness is that the human mind (and brain) is a vastly complicated collection of separate organs and organ systems, each of which is further broken up into functional regions. Nobody really knows exactly how it works, but the brain depends and reacts on an unfathomable amount of variables. This is what makes us all different in terms of behavior, tastes, likes, wants, sexual needs/desires etc.

The brain is at it's most basic level a stimulus-response engine. Each possible know stimulus (either chemical, physical, electrical, or a combination of all three) has a discrete response. How the billions of these that happen per second make it very difficult to classify a specific disorder. Case in point is the comment above about OCD.

For the vast majority of mental illnesses and disorder, there is no specific dysfunction that can be accurately measured (like, say, in a CT scan). Changes do come up, but they are not a terribly good indicator. A person with Depression's scan will be different than a "healthy" individual... But the differences in both aren't necessarily as profound as the differences between scans of TWO "healthy" people. Even worse, there are different magnitudes of depression, many of which in fact OVERLAP what doctors would consider a NORMAL state for the human mind. For example, somebody who has had a close relative die will exhibit most (if not all) the traits of major depressive syndrome.

So, psychologists and psychiatrists have to accept that there is almost no behavior possible that you can say specifically relates to a disorder. I myself was an insomniac. My lack of sleep caused a depressive illness for a while (which I got over.) Meanwhile 96 straight hours of non-sleep had me halucinating. A doctor would call what I saw and heard a psychotic episode. Now, I'm not schizophrenic. Neither do I have major depression syndrome.

Instead of having to look at specific symptoms when diagnosing an illness, the doctor must do a couple of things. First, they look at how the behavior matches up with the rest of society as a statistical average. If the behavior is deemed statisticall deviant (for example, 99.9999% of the population DON'T drink uring), then they have to evaluate the behavior based on a few (but not limited to) criteria:
1) How does the behavior affect day-to-day activities?
2) Does the behavior cause the patient undue stress/anxiety? (e.g., do you think it is a problem?)
3) Does the behavior affect people around the patient?
4) Does the patient pose a risk to him/herself, or members of the public?

Based on that criteria, having a set routine doesn't qualify as obsessive-compulsive disorder.

OCD isn't just behavior. The "O" stands for obsessive. You can apply the OCD model to someone that has repeated, UNWANTED thoughts that they continuously dwell on. For example, a person turning the stove off, double-checking it, and then worrying about it ALL day because they are somehow sure that they didn't check it.

You can only call repetitive behavior a disorder if it's negatively impacting your life and/or health. The easy one is the hand-scrubber that has to wear bandages because they've scrubbed the skin off. Or the woman who has panic attacks and collapses if she leaves the house because she's afraid that she didn't lock the door.

Having a ritual every morning isn't OCD. That's a routine. I've got one. I wake up at 5:45, brush my teeth, drive to the pool, swim for 30 minutes, then push iron for an hour and a half.

If you are suffering from mild OCD, I'm not at all trying to compare your disorder to that of this man. OCD is the least of this guy's trouble. When I spoke about ritual before, I was referring to the fact that the man was attaching piritual/metaphysical significance to the act, and was following a proscribed methodology to fulfill it.

Prodigy:

What you're describing is Female Circumcision, or genital mutilation. I'd have to double-check, but that tribe I referred to didn't practice it. F-C is practiced fairly commonly in the mid-east. There doesn't seem to be any religious significance to the procedure in many cases (like it is with Male circ.). Usually it seems to be more of a property/ownership thing. It's hard to remain partial when you are talking about a very painful and potentiall lethal operation (done with simple tools, no anesthetic, little in the way of sterilization/antibiotics). Any kind of pubic surgery can have serious complications, due to the proximity of female genitalia to the anus. Especially with less-than-ideal conditions.

The tribe I was referring to were the Sambians in Papua New Guinea. Many people take it as being sexual in nature, but they way it used to be practiced, it's more of a religious rite than anything else. Homosexuality was very strongly frowned upon. A child stopped recieving the "maleness" shortly after puberty, because the people did not want to associate the act with sexuality. The belief seems to stem from the belief that puberty is CAUSED by ritual fellatio, and stopping after puberty is more of a "Ok, you're all grown up, you don't need it now" thing. At which point, of course, the young man gets himself hitched and the couple start pumping out babies. And giving the gift of his maleness to other children.

There's a huge study area on sexuality, gender roles, and taboo. Once you get by your own prejudices and world views, it's actually quite fascinating. I won't say that it's easy, though.