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  • When did the FWD go roller?

    I'm trying to find out - did any 60 degree V6 get a roller cam/lifter combo? What years, in which engines?

    Thanks!
    3.1L \'88 Camaro - 16G @ 9.5psi
    222/291 @ wheels

    T61 on the way!

  • #2
    They started roller cam and lifters in 94 with the 3100. Any 660 after 94 has a roller cam
    Robby Whitesell
    2006 Pontiac G6 GT
    1985 Toyota Pickup DLX

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    • #3
      Ok, silly question... how will I know if an engine is a '3100' vs just a FWD 3.1? The intake and everything is still there.... A buddy of mine has a '95 (I think) 3.1 Grand Am that got wrecked that I might be able to score the engine for... If it's a roller cam design, I'll jump all over that.
      3.1L \'88 Camaro - 16G @ 9.5psi
      222/291 @ wheels

      T61 on the way!

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      • #4
        The 3100 and 3400 engines say "3100 SFI" and "3400 SFI" on the top of the intake manifold. A '95 grand am gt would have a 3100 engine in it.
        '97 Grand Prix GT 3800 (sold)
        '00 Grand Am GT 3400 supercharged
        13.788 @ 103.73 mph, 320whp 300 ft/lbs
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        • #5
          Ok, thanks... Now to find specs on the 3100
          3.1L \'88 Camaro - 16G @ 9.5psi
          222/291 @ wheels

          T61 on the way!

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          • #6
            Another quick question - the cam wouldn't have the distributor gear I need, I'm sure... so a custom camshaft would be needed in a RWD 3.1 application?
            3.1L \'88 Camaro - 16G @ 9.5psi
            222/291 @ wheels

            T61 on the way!

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            • #7
              It does have the distributor gear on it to drive the oil pump. They kept the design even to the present pushrod 60V6 engines.
              Ben
              60DegreeV6.com
              WOT-Tech.com

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              • #8
                There is a gear on the camshaft since the oil pump is driven from the cam. However I seem to recall reading something about the roller camshaft and lifters not working well in the older blocks... perhaps something about oiling? Someone enlighten us!
                60v6's original Jon M.

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                • #9
                  Yes, no kidding... I'd love to build a roller RWD 3.1
                  3.1L \'88 Camaro - 16G @ 9.5psi
                  222/291 @ wheels

                  T61 on the way!

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                  • #10
                    Nope hyd roller lifters will not work in a RWD block. They were never designed to support them. The technical explination was shown to me before but I dont know where it went.
                    1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                    1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                    Because... I am, CANADIAN

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                    • #11
                      Just change the entire engine and use the 3100. Better anyway. When they went to distributorless ignition systems I believe they originally just sealed the hole with a freeze plug, so you could probably take it out and add your distributor. I'm just guessing though.
                      '97 Grand Prix GT 3800 (sold)
                      '00 Grand Am GT 3400 supercharged
                      13.788 @ 103.73 mph, 320whp 300 ft/lbs
                      Gotta love boost!

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                      • #12
                        What about the starter being on the other side though?
                        Ben
                        60DegreeV6.com
                        WOT-Tech.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AaronGTR
                          Just change the entire engine and use the 3100. Better anyway. When they went to distributorless ignition systems I believe they originally just sealed the hole with a freeze plug, so you could probably take it out and add your distributor. I'm just guessing though.
                          No they put in an oil pump drive shaft. It fits just like a distributor but with no top on it. Also putting a FWD block in a RWD vehicle would be a nightmare.

                          There is nothing wrong with a conventional cam. Or you can use a solid roller cam in a RWD block.
                          1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                          1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                          Because... I am, CANADIAN

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                          • #14
                            There's always teh 2.2 S10 bellhousing to allow for the starter on the wrong side.
                            60v6's original Jon M.

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                            • #15
                              Yea but the mounting will suck.

                              The starter is no problem
                              1993 EXT. CAB, 3.4L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. Sonoma
                              1990 4Door, 3.2L V6 TBI, 5spd manual. 4X4. Trooper
                              Because... I am, CANADIAN

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