Double Roller Timing Chain for Roller Cams

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  • SappySE107
    WOT-Tech
    • Oct 2003
    • 13499

    #1

    Double Roller Timing Chain for Roller Cams



    $244.99 til June 1st, then its $264.99 for the set.
    Ben
    60DegreeV6.com
    WOT-Tech.com
  • silvergtjrad
    uber slow grand am
    • Feb 2007
    • 302

    #2
    Just picked one up!
    2006 AWD TBSS 12.538 @ 106.92 1.66 60' Bolt-ons only

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    • Alxsmt
      that one guy
      • Feb 2007
      • 725

      #3
      damn. i gotta get one but i dont have time for this build

      guess when my current chain streches im gonna upgrade
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      77 Celica GT- 3400/3500 swap in progress (engine from the beretta)

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      • SappySE107
        WOT-Tech
        • Oct 2003
        • 13499

        #4
        Its much easier to do it now than later, as you have to grind the crank to clear the chain.
        Ben
        60DegreeV6.com
        WOT-Tech.com

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        • Alxsmt
          that one guy
          • Feb 2007
          • 725

          #5
          yeah, i just cant wait any longer to get my car back together. i will probly swap it out at 10k or winter, whichever comes first
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          88 Beretta CL- 13.641@102.76mph (rwd LS1/t56 conversion in progress)

          77 Celica GT- 3400/3500 swap in progress (engine from the beretta)

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          • zofo61
            Banned
            • Oct 2005
            • 436

            #6
            Would one assume that ANY boosted application should consider this as an ingrual part of a HP build? And Ben for the novice builder you might want to explain the uses of the ability to set the timing at the gear............because I would love an explaination of that aswell............great job guys I am sure it will do well in the store..............

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            • silvergtjrad
              uber slow grand am
              • Feb 2007
              • 302

              #7
              Originally posted by zofo61 View Post
              Would one assume that ANY boosted application should consider this as an ingrual part of a HP build? And Ben for the novice builder you might want to explain the uses of the ability to set the timing at the gear............because I would love an explaination of that aswell............great job guys I am sure it will do well in the store..............
              Boosted I wouldnt imagine it would "help" so much. If you are using some heavy valve springs and or a high lift cam its definitely some good insurance versus praying your stock chain wont stretch and put a valve through some expensive pistons.

              Im not too wise on the subject of being able to advance or retard the timing with the cam either. If someone could do some further explination that would be awesome.
              2006 AWD TBSS 12.538 @ 106.92 1.66 60' Bolt-ons only

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              • SappySE107
                WOT-Tech
                • Oct 2003
                • 13499

                #8
                Ill go into more detail with it using my simulation software as examples, but advancing the timing effectively lowers your powerband. Say you make power from 2500-6500. 3 degrees might be 2200-6200.

                Its not just a powerband shift as it is a total hp change, as you can tune the timing for a specific setup and increase output while changing the powerband.

                Roller timing chains have less friction, so aside from strength and cam timing options, you also increase power from the part itself.
                Ben
                60DegreeV6.com
                WOT-Tech.com

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                • zofo61
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 436

                  #9
                  So given that....if the right cam profile was to be designed with my kit in mind...then the timing option with this set would give me a better starting point to tune from? Given my(and Phils)for example........what would be the option used with a CSC specific cam profile.....?....or does that just give you more options when dialing in the desktop dyno?

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                  • mfuller
                    Mr. Common Sense
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 374

                    #10
                    Ben, what's your recommendation on the double roller for the regrinds from the store? Do you guage double-roller necessity on lobe lift amounts? Duration? A combination of the two?
                    Matt
                    2000 Oldsmobile Alero GLS sedan
                    3400/3500 hybrid, Diamond Racing forged pistons, Scat I-beams, TCE DRTC, ported heads, WOT Race cam, PAC 1518s, Manley valves, F40 6-speed with Quaife LSD

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                    • Wiz85
                      N/A all the way
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 48

                      #11
                      So with this new timing set, is the crank the only thing that has to be modified?
                      Eric

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                      • silvergtjrad
                        uber slow grand am
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 302

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wiz85 View Post
                        So with this new timing set, is the crank the only thing that has to be modified?
                        Crank, timing cover, possibly the block and oil plugs.
                        2006 AWD TBSS 12.538 @ 106.92 1.66 60' Bolt-ons only

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                        • 3400-95-Modified
                          The Pink Car
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 4375

                          #13
                          Originally posted by silvergtjrad View Post
                          Crank, timing cover, possibly the block and oil plugs.
                          Yikes, I'll stick to the pre 99 setups until I find out I'm stretching them like its going out of style..

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                          • silvergtjrad
                            uber slow grand am
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 302

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 3400-95-Modified View Post
                            Yikes, I'll stick to the pre 99 setups until I find out I'm stretching them like its going out of style..
                            Yea, that may not be a bad Idea. I just want to do everything I can while the motor is all apart. Ive only got one car, so if anything breaks, Ive got no other wheels to get around town. Hell, Ive dropped enough money on this car anyways, so why not!
                            2006 AWD TBSS 12.538 @ 106.92 1.66 60' Bolt-ons only

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                            • torq455
                              If I only had money!!!
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 1615

                              #15
                              I'm wondering....as close as things are in there with the DR, was crankshaft end play taken into account as well as possible future wear on the thrust bearing?
                              Andy

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