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  • ericjon262
    build it.
    • Jan 2010
    • 2218

    #31
    Originally posted by robertisaar View Post
    once you start changing assumed variables(like octane or alcohol content of the fuel, for example), then you would benefit from multiple tunes, but if it's something that can be measured, it can be accounted for.
    some of the later PCMS measure the alcohol levels in fuel.
    "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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    • unchained01
      • Jan 2011
      • 388

      #32
      I think the more info you have ther better the tune Either way
      Its not about guessing its about tuning for the data

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      • TGP37
        Shadetree Engineer
        • Jul 2011
        • 1027

        #33
        Originally posted by ericjon262 View Post
        also, it could be argued that with a perfect tune, you wouldn't need o2 sensors either...
        Until 3 years later and the rings are worn some and the tune slides out, then having the O2 pays off. As it's main purpose is to keep the car in tune after it ages....to help keep that perfect tune. though it isn't a perfect solution, it is better then how it was before O2's were used.

        Otherwise, blowby and injector wear will wreck havok on the AFR after time.

        But yeah, I run open loop most of the time.

        Originally posted by unchained01 View Post
        I think the more info you have ther better the tune Either way
        Its not about guessing its about tuning for the data
        Absolutely, and knowing how to filter that data. As a whole, that data is useless until it is broken up into usable chunks.
        Last edited by TGP37; 03-26-2013, 06:54 AM.
        1996 Grand Prix | 3100v6 L82 | T04E-50 Turbo | Getrag 282 w/ EP LSD | SPEC-3 Clutch

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        • ericjon262
          build it.
          • Jan 2010
          • 2218

          #34
          I needed a new clutch switch that offers two open signals when the clutch is depressed, one for clutch anticipate, and one for cruise control. here is what I've found.

          1994 camaro Z28 brake light switch

          P/n on the back is 10424858

          The rear set of four terminals are the ones I need. the front pair, and rear pair both perform as prescribed.



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          • TGP37
            Shadetree Engineer
            • Jul 2011
            • 1027

            #35
            I'm sure you could use a relay to flip the switches operation.

            If the switch is closed, adds voltage to the relay which opens the line. And visa-versa. You could also use two relays to operate from just 1 clutch switch as well.
            1996 Grand Prix | 3100v6 L82 | T04E-50 Turbo | Getrag 282 w/ EP LSD | SPEC-3 Clutch

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            • robertisaar
              W-Body for Life!
              • May 2007
              • 6414

              #36
              not sure if i would want to use a relay on something that can be this time-critical.
              1995 Monte Carlo LS 3100, 4T60E...for now, future plans include driving it until the wheels fall off!
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              • ericjon262
                build it.
                • Jan 2010
                • 2218

                #37
                the switch swap was too easy to worry about messing with a relay
                "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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                • ericjon262
                  build it.
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 2218

                  #38
                  hmm... pulled up a diagram on autozone's website

                  http://www.autozone.com/autozone/rep...00c152800b8816

                  it show's a very different pins then what I have found... unless I'm reading them wrong.

                  Edit:

                  I guess they're numbering the circuits, not the actual pins.

                  edit: here's another pinout, I'll leave it here for safe keeping...

                  Last edited by ericjon262; 04-14-2013, 02:55 PM.
                  "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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                  • ericjon262
                    build it.
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 2218

                    #39
                    several new pins were added.

                    Second ignition feed
                    Air pump relay control
                    sensor grounds
                    5V references
                    Last edited by ericjon262; 04-19-2013, 11:08 AM.
                    "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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                    • TGP37
                      Shadetree Engineer
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 1027

                      #40
                      Originally posted by robertisaar View Post
                      not sure if i would want to use a relay on something that can be this time-critical.
                      good point. Especially using only 12v. Maybe a different story with 120v, but this isn't an RV...lol
                      1996 Grand Prix | 3100v6 L82 | T04E-50 Turbo | Getrag 282 w/ EP LSD | SPEC-3 Clutch

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                      • ericjon262
                        build it.
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 2218

                        #41
                        again, the switch was too easy to implement to worry with a relay.
                        "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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                        • ericjon262
                          build it.
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 2218

                          #42
                          edit:

                          removed...
                          Last edited by ericjon262; 12-14-2013, 07:50 AM.
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                          • TGP37
                            Shadetree Engineer
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 1027

                            #43
                            Originally posted by ericjon262 View Post
                            again, the switch was too easy to implement to worry with a relay.
                            again....?
                            1996 Grand Prix | 3100v6 L82 | T04E-50 Turbo | Getrag 282 w/ EP LSD | SPEC-3 Clutch

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                            • ericjon262
                              build it.
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 2218

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ericjon262 View Post
                              the switch swap was too easy to worry about messing with a relay
                              Originally posted by TGP37 View Post
                              good point. Especially using only 12v. Maybe a different story with 120v, but this isn't an RV...lol
                              Originally posted by ericjon262 View Post
                              again, the switch was too easy to implement to worry with a relay.
                              Originally posted by TGP37 View Post
                              again....?
                              it seemed like you missed a post in there. the switch swap really is cake though, 1 wire to the PCM, 1 wire to ground, done. should probably wire in a cruise clutch switch too, but that's also easy, just piggyback off the wiring on the brake cruise switch.

                              should be 2 solid yellow wires on the brake switch, cut one, then wire both cut ends to a switch similar to the one pictured above, any normally closed brake or clutch switch should work. nice thing about the one pictured earlier in the thread, is that is has two switched that both do what we need built into one, which makes packaging way easier.
                              "I am not what you so glibly call to be a civilized man. I have broken with society for reasons which I alone am able to appreciate. I am therefore not subject to it's stupid laws, and I ask you to never allude to them in my presence again."

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                              • TGP37
                                Shadetree Engineer
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 1027

                                #45
                                Ah yes I see what you mean. Packaging is something to always consider, twice as much for a Fiero. I do like the idea.
                                1996 Grand Prix | 3100v6 L82 | T04E-50 Turbo | Getrag 282 w/ EP LSD | SPEC-3 Clutch

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