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I'm not certain of what or why this burned...it is just adjacent the LED Lamp on the circuit board...and quite toasty as well... Speaking of "Roasted" The Lil Woman beckons me to "The Bird"...LOL Be back shortly... (Danny Devito used to say that...)Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 01-01-2010, 07:41 PM. -
can't see where the traces are going.... not sure if it's just to step down the voltage for the LED or what.Comment
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Does this mean if this goes to a mass produced piece of equipment, I get royalties?Originally posted by 60dgrzbelow0 View Post
-60v6's 2nd Jon M.
91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
Originally posted by Jay Leno
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Are you sure it's a resistor and not a diode? The silk-screening on the PCB under the component will say for sure. If it's "Rxx" then it's a resistor. "Dxx" would be a diode. Either way you'll need to find the value of it somehow if you're going to replace it.1995 Grand Am SEComment
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The shape of it tells me resistor, but I could be wrong. I do see it gets skinnier in the center, which is why I think it's a resistor. Have you followed the traces to see if it's the resistor for the Power LED? If it is, you wouldn't have to be exact in value of the replacement. More ohms for a dimmer LED, less for a brighter one.Last edited by pocket-rocket; 12-30-2009, 02:13 AM.-60v6's 2nd Jon M.
91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
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Wow... That was SOME Bird... LOL... Okay... It is a Brand New Year... and I promise to come up with some Brand New Ideas...Originally posted by 60dgrzbelow0 View Post
As for this project... I think ... "The FrankInjector Machine"... can be called a complete success; even with its design having to follow such a circuitous route in winding up in its Third and Final Design Form. All that remains now is for me to either to be satisfied with having to use two (2) OTC Fuel Injector Testers ...or find a way to design an electronic device capable of firing all six injectors in an identical manner ...with micro-activation instead of relying upon anything extremely long enough in duration to cause the EFI coils to overheat and fail. They really are not designed to take extensive activation to hold the pintle valves open indefinitely.
So far... I've tested the machine in many different ways... with many different re-cyclable cleaning solvents and with a wide variety of Rochester Multech Injectors...all with defining results in determining their collective and individual performances that clearly reveal whether or not they can or should be used again...either all in a set or singly as replacements for other incomplete sets. I have even been able to test a set from one of our new members and proven that "The FrankInjector Machine" is a doable homemade project, without peer when it comes to "Off The Car" cleaning and re-furbishing EFIs as close to the manner that the professional systems can manage to perform. I will leave the links to my Photo Bucket online as long as I can and that is where the potential builders of their own versions of this machine can enjoy seeing all the design images and the actual performance videos that show the machine and other components in action.
Whoever decides to build such a machine should at all times use some common sense and good judgment and keep their safety and the safety of other persons and property keenly in mind and never use whatever they build indoors or around other people. Keep a decent sized and functional ABC Fire Extinguisher at hand at all times and always...always...be safe around compressed air...compressed fuels and flammable cleaners and the electrical devices that are close at hand as potential ignition sources. Safety.... Always... Safety...FIRST!
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Like Butterflies... All my Designs are completely FREE for anyone to take and use to build their own flavor of "The FrankInjector" ...assuming of course that they agree with the Caveat Emptor mentioned earlier in this posting. Am I to take your question to mean a tacit agreement that you think it WORKS? I have not seen your responses since the earliest design phase. How do you like the Final Version?Originally posted by pocket-rocket View PostDoes this mean if this goes to a mass produced piece of equipment, I get royalties?Last edited by 60dgrzbelow0; 01-01-2010, 07:44 PM.Comment
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I'll try to de-carbonize the area and the components nearby and shoot some more images of BOTH sides of the circuit board to give us all a better look at it. The board seems sturdy enough to support being repaired ...but not being very competent with electronic gizzies...If I can...I'll un-solder the parts and see what I can find that is a match. I hate not knowing very much about the subject... So if I do manage to get it working again... It will be a surprise to us all!. If nothing else...the EFI Connector box with eight -8- support wires can be used to make up two three wire harnesses for the EUMAX Ultrasonic Cleaning set up... We'll see what I can find out when I'm done cleaning off the "Burnt Offering" on that board.Originally posted by Azrael View Post
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Originally posted by 60dgrzbelow0 View Post
I do think it is a nice working piece of equipment
I had gotten sick around the time I had stopped posting, which, well is the reason I had stopped posting a while back. I was pretty sick. 
-60v6's 2nd Jon M.
91 Black Lumina Z34-5 speed
92 Black Lumina Z34 5 speed (getting there, slowly... follow the progress here)
94 Red Ford Ranger 2WD-5 speed
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Resistors and diodes are much more tolerant to soldering irons than things like LEDs and transistors so I'm sure you won't have too much trouble. I hope that it was just that part's time to go and not another component causing it.1995 Grand Am SEComment
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Originally posted by 60dgrzbelow0 View Post
Look what I just stumbled across... Wouldn't you know it... These people have the very design I need for the EFI Activation and Testing Device Component ...but only for a single Injector. Unlike my design for the other portions of "The FrankInjector".. they want to get PAID a small fortune for theirs and have you (ME) build it...
... Not only that... Check out the comments about what is necessary to figure out the Flow Balance Issues, "...using Graphing Paper to Chart ...etc..etc..." Jesus Palomino! Please! You have GOT to be kidding me... Right?!!!
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Okay... while I am still winding things up with the last few loose ends that remain on this project... (Reverse Flushing the Injectors... either on or off of The FrankInjector Fuel Rail) and that pesky little problem of my desire to have a single device to activate all six (6) EFIs at once ...but in micro-time segments and durations... WHERE CAN I GET ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT OF THESE?:
Here are a few more short videos that proved to be very interesting and informative... Especially from the point of observation Shakespeare had that there really is "Nothing NEW under the Sun!" in the way of other people attacking this problem from not necessarily better angles or methods...but certainly from very different ones....
FUEL INJECTOR KIT REPAIR FOR NON-MULTECH EFIS:
AN INTERESTING REVERSE FLUSHING METHOD:
THE EUROTRASH METHOD OF EFI CLEANING (This particular Bare Chested Method is NOT as thrilling as the Bare Breasted Method... Especially when using his 12Volt Car Battery Method of "Pintle Valve Activation Switch" in the presence of flammable cleaners!!!)
SO MANY FUEL INJECTORS TO CLEAN... SO LITTLE TIME...
ANOTHER BARE CHESTED PERFORMANCE...BUT AN EXCELLENT PRIMER ON HOW EFI WORKS: (By the way...that RedNeck Belly Scratching Sound Effect is REAL!)
THE VALUE OF ULTRASONIC PARTS CLEANING...CHECK OUT THAT PRINTER HEAD CLEANING... I JUST MIGHT HAVE TO TRY THIS ON MY OLD EPSON STYLUS CX5200 CLOGGED AND FUBARED ONE...
THIS ONE NEEDED A PLASTIC OR WIRE TRAY TO GET THE PARTS OFF OF THE BOTTOM!!!
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Okay... And now for something very interesting...
At the start of this project... I was trying to imagine what if anything would be able to "UNGOO" the varnished up, mung infested filter baskets inside of the Rochester Multec EFIs that have been the focus of this effort to clean and recondition them back into decent service. For some reason, I mistakenly bought into the Urban Mechanical Myth that... "You can't replace the little filters in the ends of the Multec Injectors...blah...blah...blah..." Well... Nothing could be further from the truth... and if there is anybody out there who knew otherwise... they should've jumped in and said something to us all about it sooner than later.
In any case... the purpose of the heavy-duty ultrasonic cleaning in the EUMAX machine using Purple Power concentrated cleaner to get this snug area cleaned out was the only option I thought possible, short of buying brand new injectors. But once again... while looking for one thing or another during my last post, I stumbled across this video that blew this EFI myth completely out of the water... (Pay particular attention to the color and munged up condition of the removed EFI filter when the VOP (Video-Original Poster) is describing its removal):
It followed on that with a little investigation via Google and eBay, I managed to find two major sellers of kits made specific to and precisely for... The Rochester Multec Fuel Injectors. I could not believe how inexpensive these kits are and how little is involved in doing the replacements ...especially the ones from "The Fuel Parts Store" on eBay... So I bought several packs of these sets and the close-up photos attached here below will show you what you can buy to recondition your EFIs even more in conjunction with the complete "body massage" offered using your own versions of "The FrankInjector Machine".
I think that doing this as part of the re-conditioning process trumps anything I could come up with to finally solve the last remaining question of "back-flushing" the EFIs.... and the kit sells for under ten dollars! So even if you don't want to invest in a complete build of your own Home Made EFI Cleaning Machine and you just want to run some cleaning solution through the EFI bodies via an ultrasonic bath or by some chemical spray methods after the old filter baskets are pulled out, having these brand shining new 10 Micron EFI filter baskets installed should go a very long way in reviving your gummed up "gas-spitters" and make your machine run with more power, efficiency and improved gas mileage. Enjoy!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT
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.... i never knew there were kits to do this on the market... at least easily findable. i always assumed the companies that rebuilds injectors had access to them but for ~$10, it's not bad...Comment
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I'm like Fox Mulder from "The X-Files" when I come to this place and I read with interest all inputs and ideas from others...because "I Want to Believe..." and hence... when I read about the Multecs being such a PITA because of their 'non-serviceability'... I just took it for gospel... But I have learned an important lesson here... and I am happy to share this revelation so that this damned Myth is truly...BUSTED!!!
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