Coming Soon: Higher Ratio Rockers

[sprucegagt]

Been around long enough to know that there is a certain click that I obviously dont belong to. And thats ok. I guess spending over 1k dosnt mean anything to you but it does to me . I have been a member for a while but it seems that if you have the money you will take it but if you have an opinion it has to be cleared by the comitee........kinda like an HOA ,......I have one of those too. so I'll shut up and spend my money and you will accept it and the resy of you can dream your dreams and speculate your prospects amd in the mean time ...I will build an engine............have fun boys....you have done a dis servoce to this forum...............children..................sad

[torq455]

WOW! What did we ever do to piss that guy off? From the get-go even. Sounds like he's looking for a fight here. It's obvious he has NOTHING to learn from nor contribute to this thread, or this site for that matter. If you don't like our "click" then go away and wine elsewhere instead of bashing the product being developed. I say ban his ass and deactivate his account!!!

[onefastV6]

Are these rockers available or is this whole 22 page thread a pipe dream
I have a 3400 bottom....3500 top.......Bens SC cam ........billet TB and and RSM kit.............so ......what rockers with LS^ springs do I go with......stockers or 1.7 or 1.8 or 1.9............has anyone actually installed these supposed rockers......is this a dream....is this shit.......wtf?

Chris, go with stock rockers and excuse yourself from this thread.

Designing a quality product doesn't happen overnight, which is why these rockers are not on anyone's car yet, nor has any money been taken from customers for the rocker arms. Do a little research on the company that is making the rockers and you will realize that they have a good reputation unlike the RSM Supercharger Kit that you have. Unfortunately even with the rocker arms I still think you are going to have problems with the bearing as the 1630ZZ bearings are only rated to a max of 6,000.

I will be patiently waiting for the completion of these rockers and will make sure that I get my car on the dyno after they are completed for those curious on the gains.

[bszopi]

You were the one that came into this thread with an attitude, so what the fuck do you want? And you say that I have done a dis-service to this forum?!? I would love to hear your explanation on that one, as I am one of the main reasons this site is still even around, and has as much information on it as it does. I know you have been around a while, and up until just a few posts again, I had respect for you. But you did a great job of ruining that.

This is 100% different than the $300 headers. If this was a thread about some unknown company saying they would be making rockers for this engine and they would be $75 for a complete set, then it might be similar. But its not. If you have so much doubt in your mind, feel free to contact Scorpion directly. If you have read this thread, then you will know that the person in charge of the development of these rockers has his name and email listed directly in the thread. Go directly to the source, and feel free to bypass the people that are supposedly taking everyone's money and telling everyone else to fuck off. If it wasn't for 2 people on this site (Ben being one of them) that make donations, this site would bring in MAYBE $50 per year. But do I care? No, because I am an enthusiast that wants to see this site, and these engines, continue to grow. If you don't like it, then I'm sorry.

And sorry to everyone else that still has interest in these rockers. Obviously you still have some faith that these rockers will be coming to market soon, unlike some others...

[zofo61]

The rockers are still in the development phase at Scorpion, so you are correct that no one is running them. With that saidm I don't remember anywhere in this thread that says a definite gain with them. But, I know Ben has run simulations on his software to get theoretical improvements. All other numbers would be people comparing what percentage gains was seen by other vehicles with similar rocker ratio changes and applying those percentages to our stock hp.

These rockers will be made, there is no doubt about it. If you don't believe it, then stop reading the thread. It took over 2 years for headers to be developed for these engines, so 6 months or so, so far on these rockers doesn't seem to be that bad to me. But, you haven't been around long enough to realize things like this...

Been around long enough to know that there is a certain click that I obviously dont belong to. And thats ok. I guess spending over 1k dosnt mean anything to you but it does to me . I have been a member for a while but it seems that if you have the money you will take it but if you have an opinion it has to be cleared by the comitee........kinda like an HOA ,......I have one of those too. so I'll shut up and spend my money and you will accept it and the resy of you can dream your dreams and speculate your prospects amd in the mean time ...I will build an engine............have fun boys....you have done a dis servoce to this forum...............children..................sad

[zofo61]

Are the rockers in the store?.....no.......nuff said..............and....if you want to deal with my stupidity tell me where to meet you and you can deal with me personally....this is the same crap that came .00with the 300.00 headers everyone was going nuts about....anyone running those as well...woth the 1.8 rockers...................sell your dreams somewhere else...i want tangible items that have been tested and work.......not boyish dreams of dilutions od grandure................so there you go son..............deal with it

[bszopi]

The rockers are still in the development phase at Scorpion, so you are correct that no one is running them. With that saidm I don't remember anywhere in this thread that says a definite gain with them. But, I know Ben has run simulations on his software to get theoretical improvements. All other numbers would be people comparing what percentage gains was seen by other vehicles with similar rocker ratio changes and applying those percentages to our stock hp.

These rockers will be made, there is no doubt about it. If you don't believe it, then stop reading the thread. It took over 2 years for headers to be developed for these engines, so 6 months or so, so far on these rockers doesn't seem to be that bad to me. But, you haven't been around long enough to realize things like this...

[zofo61]

Still havnt seen or head of anyone running these rockers.....give me all the links you want and its all advertising.....if any one is stupid you idiot its you for beleiving in a propsed product that hasnt been tested or proven.....which proves you are as gullible as the next one in line to accept propostion to fact...........who is running these rockers..........who?.......chime in.....and I will shut up..........where are the numbers.....where are the applications.......I deal in fact ....not conjecture..................22 pages of nothing is what I have read.....22 pages of nothing

[Nick-G]

Ben, dont cop an attitude with me with respect to this thread......is there ANYONE running these rockers?................I think the answer is no..........if so who and what gains are they gettting.........so as far as I am concerned ...its still a pipe drem untill someone installs them and get the gains that have been " advertised" show me the numbers and I will shut up and apologize.......otherwise........show the numbers and shut me up...i am not a punk and dont deserve the diss if this is all just an estimate or...in my words....a "pipie dream".........who is running the rockers and who is gaining the boasted numbers......right now...thew answer is NO ONE....so.....balls in your court Ben

Did you read a single post in this thread? Sometimes peoples stupidity amazes me.

[zofo61]

Ben, dont cop an attitude with me with respect to this thread......is there ANYONE running these rockers?................I think the answer is no..........if so who and what gains are they gettting.........so as far as I am concerned ...its still a pipe drem untill someone installs them and get the gains that have been " advertised" show me the numbers and I will shut up and apologize.......otherwise........show the numbers and shut me up...i am not a punk and dont deserve the diss if this is all just an estimate or...in my words....a "pipie dream".........who is running the rockers and who is gaining the boasted numbers......right now...thew answer is NO ONE....so.....balls in your court Ben

[Russell52]

Its .511 lift on a stock cam. I don't know what your specs are now. I don't even know if 1.9 rockers will be made right now.

valve lift intake .427 exhaust .427

duration @ .050 intake 210 exhaust 210

Lobe lift intake .2850 exhaust .2850

Lobe separation 112.0

3100 motor with 3400 intakes,and the roller type rockers

so 1:8 are gonna be made? I;d go with that

[SappySE107]

Its .511 lift on a stock cam. I don't know what your specs are now. I don't even know if 1.9 rockers will be made right now.

[Russell52]

Sappy,Will I be good to go with 1:9 rockers as my cam is damn near stock?

Russ

[SappySE107]

also, don't ask us if its shit and a pipe dream if you aren't going to read. The prototypes should be seen in April.

[SappySE107]

The SC cam is pushing the limits of the LS6 springs as is. You are barely under the .050 clearance recommended so some thinner seats would be a good idea. You cannot go with higher ratio rockers without swapping out springs.